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From: OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>
To: Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com>
Cc: viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk, jack@suse.cz, hch@lst.de,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fix queueing work if !bdi_cap_writeback_dirty()
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 22:07:48 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87mx0sn463.fsf@devron.myhome.or.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120914125312.GA20973@localhost> (Fengguang Wu's message of "Fri, 14 Sep 2012 20:53:12 +0800")

Fengguang Wu <fengguang.wu@intel.com> writes:

>> The writeback task is always called with sync_mode != WB_SYNC_ALL except
>> sync_inodes_sb(). But FS has sb->s_op->sync_fs() handler for
>> sync_inodes_sb() path. So, writeback task just bothers FS to control to
>> flush.
>> 
>> Also it wants to control the reclaimable of inode cache too, because FS
>> have to control to flush, and wants to use inode in own FS task, and it
>> knows when inode is cleaned and can be reclaimed.
>> 
>> I thought there are 2 options - 1) pin inode with iget(), and iput() on
>> own FS task, 2) disable writeback task and care about inode reclaim by
>> dirty flags.
>> 
>> (1) was complex (e.g. inode can be the orphan inode), and seems to be
>> ineffective workaround to survive with writeback task.
>
> In principle, the VFS should of course give enough flexibility for the
> FS. But it's all about the details that matter. As for the
> BDI_CAP_NO_WRITEBACK approach, I'm afraid you'll not get the expected
> "FS control" through it. Because the flusher thread may already have a
> long queue of works which will take long time to finish. It even have
> its internal background/periodic works that's not controllable this
> way, see wb_check_background_flush().

wb_check_background_flush() is called from,

bdi_forker_thread()
    bdi_writeback_thread()
        wb_do_writeback()
            wb_check_background_flush()

But, bdi_forker_thread() never start bdi_writeback_thread() if
!bdi_cap_writeback_dirty(bdi).

Or I'm seeing something wrong here?

> And BDI_CAP_NO_WRITEBACK is expected to be a static/constant flag that
> always evaluate to true/false for a given bdi.  There will be
> correctness problems if you change the BDI_CAP_NO_WRITEBACK flag
> dynamically.

I'm going to use it as static or per-sb by initialized in
fill_super(). And it uses always BDI_CAP_NO_WRITEBACK if sb is
available. Because own FS task flush instead.

Thanks.
-- 
OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@mail.parknet.co.jp>

  reply	other threads:[~2012-09-14 13:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-09-11 18:28 [PATCH] Fix queueing work if !bdi_cap_writeback_dirty() OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-12  2:42 ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-12  8:00   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-13  0:33     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-13  5:41       ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-13  6:03         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-13  6:31           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-13  6:39 ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-13  7:53   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-14 11:13     ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-14 11:18       ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-14 11:14     ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-14 12:12       ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-14 12:53         ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-14 13:07           ` OGAWA Hirofumi [this message]
2012-09-14 13:33             ` Fengguang Wu
2012-09-14 13:49               ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-14 13:19         ` Jan Kara
2012-09-14 13:44           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-14 14:45             ` Jan Kara
2012-09-14 15:10               ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-16 21:49                 ` Jan Kara
2012-09-16 23:24                   ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-17  8:48                     ` Jan Kara
2012-09-17  9:39                       ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-17  9:56                         ` Jan Kara
2012-09-17 10:37                           ` OGAWA Hirofumi
2012-09-17 15:54                             ` Jan Kara
2012-09-17 16:55                               ` OGAWA Hirofumi

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