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From: Jeremy Maitin-Shepard <jbms@cmu.edu>
To: Milton Miller <miltonm@bga.com>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	Ying Huang <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, David Lang <david@lang.hm>,
	linux-pm <linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] Re: Hibernation considerations
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 13:31:41 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87myxroubm.fsf@jbms.ath.cx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f29402c6050f9c3ff5d83a59cea2de58@bga.com> (Milton Miller's message of "Fri\, 20 Jul 2007 11\:56\:43 -0500")

Milton Miller <miltonm@bga.com> writes:

[snip]

>>>> (7) how to avoid corrupting filesystems mounted by the hibernated kernel
>>> 
>>> I didn't realize this was a discussion item. I thought the options were
>>> clear, for some filesystem types you can mount them read-only, but for
>>> ext3 (and possilby other less common ones) you just plain cannot touch
>>> them.
>> 
>> That's correct.  And since you cannot thouch ext3, you need either to assume
>> that you won't touch filesystems at all, or to have a code to recognize the
>> filesystem you're dealing with.

> Or add a small bit of infrastructure that errors writes at make_request if you
> don't have a magic "i am a direct block device write from userspace" flag on the
> bio.

I still don't understand why there is this fixation on accessing dirty
filesystems in use by the hibernated system.  Even if you avoid
corrupting the filesystem by avoiding writing to the block device, there
isn't any real guarantee about the state of the data, except for a
filesystem that specifically makes guarantees about such data (and I
don't believe any of the existing ones do).

It isn't necessary to be able to access such filesystems: everything can
be done from an initramfs/initrd.

[snip]

-- 
Jeremy Maitin-Shepard

  reply	other threads:[~2007-07-20 17:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 220+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-07-15 12:33 Hibernation considerations Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 12:51 ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-15 12:58 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2007-07-15 22:38   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 22:27     ` david
2007-07-17 17:40       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2007-07-17 17:49         ` david
2007-07-29  6:53     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2007-07-29  9:56       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-05 19:56       ` encrypted hibernation (was Re: Hibernation considerations) Pavel Machek
2007-08-11 23:43         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2007-08-12 22:12           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-18 19:37             ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2007-08-21  7:29               ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-13  2:30           ` Michael Chang
2007-08-13  4:53             ` alon.barlev
2007-07-15 15:10 ` Hibernation considerations Al Boldi
2007-07-15 15:35   ` jimmy bahuleyan
2007-07-15 17:40     ` Al Boldi
2007-07-15 16:29   ` Alan Stern
2007-07-15 17:40     ` Al Boldi
2007-07-15 23:28       ` Alan Stern
2007-07-15 23:58         ` david
2007-07-16  5:02         ` Al Boldi
2007-07-16  6:49           ` david
2007-07-16 13:32             ` Al Boldi
2007-07-17  4:33               ` david
2007-07-17 12:08                 ` Al Boldi
2007-07-17 14:18                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 15:23                   ` david
2007-07-16 14:53           ` Alan Stern
2007-07-16 16:51             ` Al Boldi
2007-07-17  4:37               ` david
2007-07-15 19:52     ` david
2007-07-15 20:13 ` david
2007-07-15 22:47   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 22:42     ` david
2007-07-15 23:15       ` Alan Stern
2007-07-15 23:38         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-16 14:15           ` Alan Stern
2007-07-16 15:25             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 23:41         ` david
2007-07-16 14:21           ` Alan Stern
2007-07-17  4:45             ` david
2007-07-17 14:15               ` Alan Stern
2007-07-17 14:40                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 15:29                   ` david
2007-07-17 16:02                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 17:06                       ` david
2007-07-17 19:50                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:18                           ` david
2007-07-17 20:39                             ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 20:39                               ` david
2007-07-17 20:58                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:57                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:53                               ` david
2007-07-17 21:37                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:42                                   ` david
2007-07-17 21:53                                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-21 10:25                             ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-21 15:35                               ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-21 17:56                                 ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-21 19:35                                   ` david
2007-07-21 19:49                                     ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-21 22:14                                       ` david
2007-08-01 16:58                             ` Stefan Seyfried
2007-07-17 20:24                           ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 20:44                             ` david
2007-07-17 21:00                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 16:09                   ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 19:54                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 18:32                   ` Alan Stern
2007-07-17 20:17                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:34                       ` david
2007-07-17 20:54                         ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 21:04                           ` david
2007-07-17 21:23                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:17                           ` david
2007-07-17 21:27                             ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 21:27                               ` david
2007-07-17 21:54                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:45                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:43                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:34                       ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 20:37                         ` david
2007-07-17 20:56                           ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-17 21:06                             ` david
2007-07-17 21:40                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:24                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 21:11                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 20:27                     ` david
2007-07-17 21:20                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                         ` <ea7a437ca4038d408ac544bbc3c2434a@bga.com>
2007-07-19 17:31                           ` [linux-pm] " david
2007-07-20 14:24                             ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 15:44                               ` david
2007-07-19 20:28                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-19 23:07                             ` david
2007-07-20 11:17                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 15:35                                 ` david
2007-07-20 16:15                                   ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 21:46                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 16:56                                 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 17:31                                   ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard [this message]
2007-07-20 21:30                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 19:26                                   ` david
2007-07-20 21:28                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 21:33                                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-20 22:19                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]                               ` <20070720152744.GH20529@grifter.jdc.home>
2007-07-20 15:36                                 ` david
2007-07-20 21:43                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 21:39                                     ` david
2007-07-20 22:22                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 22:39                                         ` david
2007-07-20 16:08                             ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 16:20                               ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 17:32                                 ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 18:17                                   ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 19:08                                     ` Milton Miller
2007-07-20 19:37                                       ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 20:03                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-20 20:12                                       ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 21:35                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-20 22:25                                           ` Alan Stern
2007-07-23 14:23                                             ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-23 20:05                                               ` Towards eliminating the freezer Alan Stern
2007-07-24  8:21                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-24 14:27                                                   ` Alan Stern
2007-07-24  9:33                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-24 14:29                                                   ` Alan Stern
2007-07-24 15:24                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-24 16:06                                                       ` Alan Stern
2007-07-24 19:20                                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-24 20:24                                                           ` Alan Stern
2007-07-24 21:14                                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-24 22:14                                                               ` Alan Stern
2007-07-25 12:23                                                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-01  9:34                                             ` [linux-pm] Re: Hibernation considerations Pavel Machek
2007-08-03  3:50                                               ` david
2007-07-20 20:31                                 ` david
2007-07-20 21:24                                   ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 21:34                                     ` david
2007-07-20 22:15                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20 21:37                                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-20 22:35                                       ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 22:43                                         ` david
2007-07-21  5:21                                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-21 14:10                                           ` Alan Stern
2007-07-22  3:43                                             ` david
2007-07-22 16:00                                               ` Alan Stern
2007-07-22 21:50                                                 ` david
2007-07-23 15:19                                                   ` Alan Stern
2007-07-23 19:01                                                     ` david
2007-07-23 20:22                                                       ` Alan Stern
2007-07-24 13:26                                                         ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-24 14:50                                                           ` Alan Stern
2007-07-20 22:48                                         ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-20 21:02                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 11:44                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-21 12:43                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-21 13:56                                     ` Alan Stern
2007-07-21 16:13                                     ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-21 18:12                                       ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-21 19:20                                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-08-01  9:22                                           ` Pavel Machek
2007-08-02 17:02                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 22:21                                         ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-21 22:16                                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-22 15:26                                         ` Alan Stern
2007-07-22 16:27                                           ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-22 20:09                                             ` Alan Stern
2007-07-22 21:54                                               ` david
2007-07-22 22:42                                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-22 23:09                                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-22 23:18                                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-23  0:04                                             ` Paul Mackerras
2007-07-23  3:11                                               ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-23 15:23                                                 ` Alan Stern
2007-07-23 21:55                                                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2007-07-23 22:10                                                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-23  5:31                                             ` david
2007-07-23 10:24                                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-23 12:08                                               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-23 12:14                                                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-23 12:27                                                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-23 12:31                                                   ` Oliver Neukum
2007-07-23 13:08                                                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-23 14:01                                                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-23 14:01                                                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-07-23 19:08                                                     ` david
2007-08-01  9:19                                     ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]                         ` <40fa2626aff7b6b590ad6aa4737fc873@bga.com>
2007-07-20 14:48                           ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-20 15:48                             ` david
2007-07-22  2:17                               ` Huang, Ying
2007-07-22  2:32                                 ` david
2007-07-20 21:34                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17 22:38                       ` Alan Stern
2007-07-17 22:37                         ` david
2007-07-18 14:29                           ` Alan Stern
2007-07-18 14:47                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-20  4:40                               ` Al Boldi
2007-07-20 10:59                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-21 10:17               ` Pavel Machek
2007-07-15 23:22       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-15 23:49         ` david
2007-07-16 12:06           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
     [not found]             ` <20070716123849.GC14212@grifter.jdc.home>
2007-07-16 15:29               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-07-17  4:28                 ` david
2007-07-17 10:42                   ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-17 15:19                     ` david
2007-07-18  2:18                       ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-18  3:54                         ` david
2007-07-18 11:10                           ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-18 12:56                             ` david
2007-07-15 23:17   ` Alan Stern
2007-07-15 23:53     ` david
2007-07-16  5:18       ` Jeremy Maitin-Shepard
2007-07-15 20:35 ` Cornelius Riemenschneider
2007-07-15 19:46   ` david
2007-07-16  0:51 ` Matthew Garrett
2007-07-16  0:51   ` david

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