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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: David Stevens <stevensd@google.com>
Cc: Zach O'Keefe <zokeefe@google.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Will Deacon <willdeacon@google.com>,
	Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Xin Li <xin@zytor.com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>, Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/13] Dynamic Kernel Stacks
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2026 23:59:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pl1kna8y.ffs@fw13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOiLmNFC+BWdBNm_waA2Ly1x6oyCzsomc0AM=r5TkQK3YskfGA@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 19 2026 at 22:02, David Stevens wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2026 at 2:59 PM Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org> wrote:
>> If the kernel skips a whole page or more then there is a serious bug
>> somewhere. I might be missing something, but again the "very unlikely"
>> wording which handwaves about it is just disgustingly useless.
>
> FRAME_WARN accepts values up to 8192 bytes, and it can always be
> ignored or simply disabled. If a stack frame is larger than 4k, then

We should limit that to something sane.

> it's entirely possible for the code and compiler to align in a way
> where the first access in the frame skips a page in the stack. I think
> we agree that such code would be highly suspect and (hopefully) would
> only exist in out-of-tree drivers.

We don't care about out of tree drivers.

> But it's something the kernel build system accepts today. Dynamic
> kernel stacks suddenly turning that into a runtime kernel panic seems
> like exactly the sort of edge case that we would get yelled at for not
> addressing.

That's a good thing. If it breaks in tree code then those people have
finally an incentive to fix the warnings sent by the robots which they
ignored for a long time. If it breaks out of tree code then *SHRUG*.

We guarantee not to break user space, but we don't guarantee anything
for out of tree kernel hacks.

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-20 22:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-24 19:14 [PATCH v2 00/13] Dynamic Kernel Stacks David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] fork: Remove assumption that vm_area->nr_pages equals to THREAD_SIZE David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] fork: Don't assume fully populated stack during reuse David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] fork: Move vm_stack to the beginning of the stack David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] fork: separate vmap stack allocation and free calls David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] mm/vmalloc: Add a get_vm_area_node() and vmap_pages_range() public functions David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] fork: Move vmap stack freeing to work queue David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] fork: Dynamic Kernel Stacks David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] task_stack.h: Add stack_not_used() support for dynamic stack David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] fork: Dynamic Kernel Stack accounting David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] fork: Store task pointer in unpopulated stack ptes David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] x86/entry/fred: encode frame pointer on entry David Stevens
2026-05-20 22:24   ` David Stevens
2026-05-22 22:25     ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-05-24 18:22       ` Xin Li
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] x86: Add support for dynamic kernel stacks via FRED David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] x86: Add support for dynamic kernel stacks via IST David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:41 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] Dynamic Kernel Stacks Dave Hansen
2026-04-24 21:35   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-04-24 22:21     ` Dave Hansen
2026-04-24 22:49       ` David Stevens
2026-04-24 22:26     ` David Laight
2026-04-24 23:06       ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-06-19  0:29       ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-19 19:56         ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-20  5:25         ` David Stevens
2026-06-20 23:22           ` Dave Hansen
2026-04-25  9:19   ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-04-27 16:17     ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-18 14:50       ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-18 18:53         ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-18 22:28           ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-19  0:40             ` David Stevens
2026-06-19  0:44               ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-19 12:45           ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-19 19:20             ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-19 21:59               ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-20  5:02                 ` David Stevens
2026-06-20 21:59                   ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-06-20 19:33                 ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-20 19:44                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-20 20:01                     ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-20 23:34                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-27 16:31     ` Pasha Tatashin

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