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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Mathieu Desnoyers" <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	"Andrè Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
	"Sebastian Andrzej Siewior" <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	"Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>,
	"Peter Zijlstra" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Florian Weimer" <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	"Rich Felker" <dalias@aerifal.cx>,
	"Torvald Riegel" <triegel@redhat.com>,
	"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@kernel.org>,
	"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	"Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Liam R . Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	"Uros Bizjak" <ubizjak@gmail.com>,
	"Thomas Weißschuh" <linux@weissschuh.net>
Subject: Re: [patch V3 00/14] futex: Address the robust futex unlock race for real
Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2026 21:36:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pl4l9kj7.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <acp-l792SFNG9ROS@J2N7QTR9R3>

On Mon, Mar 30 2026 at 14:45, Mark Rutland wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2026 at 02:01:58PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>> User space can't solve this problem without help from the kernel. This
>> series provides the kernel side infrastructure to help it along:
[ 6 more citation lines. Click/Enter to show. ]
>> 
>>   1) Combined unlock, pointer clearing, wake-up for the contended case
>> 
>>   2) VDSO based unlock and pointer clearing helpers with a fix-up function
>>      in the kernel when user space was interrupted within the critical
>>      section.
>
> I see the vdso bits in this series are specific to x86. Do other
> architectures need something here?

Yes.

> I might be missing some context; I'm not sure whether that's not
> necessary or just not implemented by this series, and so I'm not sure
> whether arm64 folk and other need to go dig into this.

The VDSO functions __vdso_futex_robust_list64_try_unlock() and
__vdso_futex_robust_list32_try_unlock() are architecture specific.

The scheme in x86 ASM is:

	mov		%esi,%eax	// Load TID into EAX
	xor		%ecx,%ecx	// Set ECX to 0
	lock cmpxchg	%ecx,(%rdi)	// Try the TID -> 0 transition
  .Lstart:
	jnz    		.Lend
	movq		%rcx,(%rdx)	// Clear list_op_pending
  .Lend:
	ret

.Lstart is the start of the critical section, .Lend the end. These two
addresses need to be retrieved from the VDSO when the VDSO is mapped to
user space and stored in mm::futex:unlock::cs_ranges[]. See patch 11/14.

If the cmpxchg was successful, then the pending pointer has to be
cleared when user space was interrupted before reaching .Lend.

So .Lstart has to be immediately after the instruction which did the try
compare exchange and the architecture needs to have their ASM variant
and the helper function which tells the generic code whether the pointer
has to be cleared or not. On x86 that is:

	return regs->flags & X86_EFLAGS_ZF ? (void __user *)regs->dx : NULL;

as the result of CMPXCHG is in the Zero Flag and the pointer is in
[ER]DX. The former is defined by the ISA, the latter is enforced by the
ASM constraints and has to be kept in sync between the VDSO ASM and the
evaluation helper.

Do you see a problem with that on AARGH64?

Thanks,

	tglx

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-03-30 19:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-30 12:01 [patch V3 00/14] futex: Address the robust futex unlock race for real Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:02 ` [patch V3 01/14] futex: Move futex task related data into a struct Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:02 ` [patch V3 02/14] futex: Make futex_mm_init() void Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:02 ` [patch V3 03/14] futex: Move futex related mm_struct data into a struct Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 15:23   ` Alexander Kuleshov
2026-03-30 12:02 ` [patch V3 04/14] futex: Provide UABI defines for robust list entry modifiers Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:02 ` [patch V3 05/14] uaccess: Provide unsafe_atomic_store_release_user() Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 13:33   ` Mark Rutland
2026-03-30 12:02 ` [patch V3 06/14] x86: Select ARCH_MEMORY_ORDER_TOS Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 13:34   ` Mark Rutland
2026-03-30 19:48     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:02 ` [patch V3 07/14] futex: Cleanup UAPI defines Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:02 ` [patch V3 08/14] futex: Add support for unlocking robust futexes Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:02 ` [patch V3 09/14] futex: Add robust futex unlock IP range Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:02 ` [patch V3 10/14] futex: Provide infrastructure to plug the non contended robust futex unlock race Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:02 ` [patch V3 11/14] x86/vdso: Prepare for robust futex unlock support Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:03 ` [patch V3 12/14] x86/vdso: Implement __vdso_futex_robust_try_unlock() Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:03 ` [patch V3 13/14] Documentation: futex: Add a note about robust list race condition Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 12:03 ` [patch V3 14/14] selftests: futex: Add tests for robust release operations Thomas Gleixner
2026-03-30 13:45 ` [patch V3 00/14] futex: Address the robust futex unlock race for real Mark Rutland
2026-03-30 13:51   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-03-30 19:36   ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2026-03-31 14:12     ` Mark Rutland
2026-03-31 12:59   ` André Almeida
2026-03-31 13:03     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-03-31 14:13     ` Mark Rutland
2026-03-31 15:22   ` Thomas Gleixner

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