From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9007AC7619A for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2023 07:35:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S232435AbjC0Hfr (ORCPT ); Mon, 27 Mar 2023 03:35:47 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:39534 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S232009AbjC0Hfo (ORCPT ); Mon, 27 Mar 2023 03:35:44 -0400 Received: from ams.source.kernel.org (ams.source.kernel.org [145.40.68.75]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8AB391734 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2023 00:35:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ams.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BC0DB80E24 for ; Mon, 27 Mar 2023 07:34:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EFC9DC433D2; Mon, 27 Mar 2023 07:34:53 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1679902494; bh=K2oIW15RhBxCS54oVebcTobUQkdXp4z3qc7Uqyf7U+0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=bH59hrj6R6kDbeNKRxiqgrwYolN+ukVrwBeYu4tjm6uECawAo6frpOXKyWaoPfMot 8Cy16aYb1BLOKqYji4dB4fU9zLd5Hc4GzNlgDZF1z+IK34V9nUlRzcNQG/CmRlFC8V Bi+SnyCUAAuxqraRN16CW4UEy+Ruh/5sdGpU064AnZ2KPrYQ6RALZHwwGIpQYVw/iv fxoM8P6/ryZNiBWTH0hz8aUhh96/xRHQQ1aB0J35hEafHfGuaKUbYBhxNYRBFb2T96 fIaJj0dnsrGS0pZ26sA+F23T5Zc4Li3StnrV8ccW+87Z93yhC3qVZGIKWEgTD5hPe5 q1yoN6inyBpfg== From: Kalle Valo To: "Theodore Ts'o" Cc: Masahiro Yamada , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Change in kernel debian packages between -rc2 and -rc3 References: <20230325143122.GA409315@mit.edu> <20230326121118.GB323408@mit.edu> Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2023 10:34:47 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20230326121118.GB323408@mit.edu> (Theodore Ts'o's message of "Sun, 26 Mar 2023 08:11:18 -0400") Message-ID: <87pm8utzoo.fsf@kernel.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org "Theodore Ts'o" writes: > On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 12:39:44PM +0900, Masahiro Yamada wrote: >> >> I am afraid you are completely misunderstanding the two versions, >> the ABI version and the package version. >> >> They do not need to match. Actually, they do not match. >> >> See real Debian (or Ubuntu) systems. >> >> `uname -r` returns '5.10.0-21-amd64'. >> This is what they call the ABI version, and >> this is contained as a part of the package name, >> 'linux-image-5.10.0-21-amd64' > > That may be a convention that Debian uses, but I'll point out that > trying to use this as an ABI version when people are using different > .config's is not going to end well. That's because many different > Kernel configurations will end up making incompatible changes to the > ABI. and only works if you are ***super*** careful about not making > any kind of changes (e.g., the number of CPU's, adding or changing > various cgroup controllers, all of which will make incompatible kernel > ABI changes.) > > This is "Stable ABI nonsense" is well, nonsense. > >> It was _not_ reflected in the package version. >> This is also correct since the package version >> is not meant to reflect such user configuration >> as CONFIG_LOCALVERSION. > > Citation, please? Does the Debian system work in that particular way? > > In any case, it's an incompatible regression made during rc2 and rc3, > which I think is at the very least, unfortunate. v6.3-rc3 also broke my deb install scripts, so definitely not cool breaking it like this. Please keep the deb names stable. -- https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-wireless/list/ https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/documentation/submittingpatches