Re: [RFC][PATCH] timers: Add del_time_free() to be called before freeing timers

Guenter Roeck
2022-04-08T00:58:21Z

On 4/7/22 15:51, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 14:58:02 -0700
> Guenter Roeck <linux@roeck-us.net> wrote:
>
>>> Add a del_timer_free() that not only does a del_timer_sync() but will mark
>>
>> This limits the use case to situations where del_timer_sync() can actually
>> be called. There is, however, code where this is not possible.
>> Specifically, it doesn't work if the code triggered with the timer uses a
>> lock, and del_timer() is also called under that same lock. An example for
>> that is the code in sound/synth/emux/emux.c. How do you suggest to handle
>> that situation ?
>
> Easy. Tell me how that situation is not a bug?
>

Sure, fixing the problem is of course the right thing to do. But replacing
del_timer() with your suggested version of del_timer_free() doesn't work
with this code because it would deadlock. Sure, that would not fix the
underlying problem anyway, but that isn't the point I was trying to make:
I think it would be beneficial to be able to replace del_timer() with a
version that can not result in deadlocks but would still identify problems
such as the one in the code in emux.c.

Can we have del_timer_free() and del_timer_sync_free() ? Or am I missing
something and that doesn't really make sense ?

Thanks,
Guenter

> That code you point out at emux.c looks extremely buggy as well. In other
> words, if you can't call del_timer_free() for the reason you mention above,
> the code is very likely to have race conditions. I cannot think of a
> situation that it is safe to do this.
>
> In fact, I think that just replacing that with del_timer_free() may be good
> enough. At least to show why it blows up later. I'm confused in what they
> are doing by taking that lock. I can see:
>
> CPU1 CPU2
> ---- ----
> snd_emux_timer_callback()
> spin_lock(voice_lock)
> if (timer_active)
> del_timer()
> spin_unlock(voice_lock)
>
> [..]
> do_again++
> [..]
> if (do_again) {
> mod_timer()
> timer_active = 1;
> }
>
> [..]
> free(emu);
> >
> BOOM!!
>
> Hmm, perhaps I should change the code in __mod_timer() to:
>
> if (WARN_ON(timer->flags & TIMER_FREED))
> return;
>
> To not rearm it.
>
> -- Steve