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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com>
Cc: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Linux FS Devel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	SELinux-NSA <selinux@tycho.nsa.gov>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@canonical.com>,
	"linux-kernel\@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Initial support for user namespace owned mounts
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 12:33:57 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pp39k0sa.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150730172517.GB131344@ubuntu-hedt> (Seth Forshee's message of "Thu, 30 Jul 2015 12:25:17 -0500")

Seth Forshee <seth.forshee@canonical.com> writes:

> On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 12:05:27PM -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> writes:
>> 
>> > On 7/28/2015 1:40 PM, Seth Forshee wrote:
>> >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 05:05:17PM -0700, Casey Schaufler wrote:
>> >>>> This is what I currently think you want for user ns mounts:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  1. smk_root and smk_default are assigned the label of the backing
>> >>>>     device.
>> >>>>  2. s_root is assigned the transmute property.
>> >>>>  3. For existing files:
>> >>>>     a. Files with the same label as the backing device are accessible.
>> >>>>     b. Files with any other label are not accessible.
>> >>> That's right. Accept correct data, reject anything that's not right.
>> >>>
>> >>>> If this is right, there are a couple lingering questions in my mind.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> First, what happens with files created in directories with the same
>> >>>> label as the backing device but without the transmute property set? The
>> >>>> inode for the new file will initially be labeled with smk_of_current(),
>> >>>> but then during d_instantiate it will get smk_default and thus end up
>> >>>> with the label we want. So that seems okay.
>> >>> Yes.
>> >>>
>> >>>> The second is whether files with the SMACK64EXEC attribute is still a
>> >>>> problem. It seems it is, for files with the same label as the backing
>> >>>> store at least. I think we can simply skip the code that reads out this
>> >>>> xattr and sets smk_task for user ns mounts, or else skip assigning the
>> >>>> label to the new task in bprm_set_creds. The latter seems more
>> >>>> consistent with the approach you've suggested for dealing with labels
>> >>>> from disk.
>> >>> Yes, I think that skipping the smk_fetch(XATTR_NAME_SMACKEXEC, ...) in
>> >>> smack_d_instantiate for unprivileged mounts would do the trick.
>> >>>
>> >>>> So I guess all of that seems okay, though perhaps a bit restrictive
>> >>>> given that the user who mounted the filesystem already has full access
>> >>>> to the backing store.
>> >>> In truth, there is no reason to expect that the "user" who did the
>> >>> mount will ever have a Smack label that differs from the label of
>> >>> the backing store. If what we've got here seems restrictive, it's
>> >>> because you've got access from someone other than the "user".
>> >>>
>> >>>> Please let me know whether or not this matches up with what you are
>> >>>> thinking, then I can procede with the implementation.
>> >>> My current mindset is that, if you're going to allow unprivileged
>> >>> mounts of user defined backing stores, this is as safe as we can
>> >>> make it.
>> >> All right, I've got a patch which I think does this, and I've managed to
>> >> do some testing to confirm that it behaves like I expect. How does this
>> >> look?
>> >>
>> >> What's missing is getting the label from the block device inode; as
>> >> Stephen discovered the inode that I thought we could get the label from
>> >> turned out to be the wrong one. Afaict we would need a new hook in order
>> >> to do that, so for now I'm using the label of the proccess calling
>> >> mount.
>> >
>> > That will be OK if the mount processing checks for write access to
>> > the backing store. I haven't looked to see if it does. If it doesn't
>> > the problems should be pretty obvious.
>> 
>> 
>> do_new_mount
>>   vfs_kern_mount
>>     mount_fs
>>       ...
>>         mount_bdev
>>           blkdev_get_by_path(...,FMODE_READ| FMODE_WRITE | FMODE_EXCL,...)
>>             lookup_bdev
>>               kern_path
>>                 filename_lookup
>>                   path_lookupat
>>                     lookup_last
>>                       walk_component
>>             blkdev_get(...,mode,...)
>>               __blkdev_get(...,mode,...)
>>                 devcgroup_inode_permission(bdev->bd_inode, perm)
>> 
>> *scratches my head*
>> 
>> It looks like we don't actually check the permissions on the block
>> device.  Tomoyo has a hack for it.  nfsd does something.  There is
>> devcgroup silliness.
>> 
>> But overall it looks like we depend on capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN).
>> 
>> Seth I do believe we have found another area of the vfs we will need to
>> short up before allowing unprivileged mounts of block device based
>> filesystems.
>> 
>> It looks like there are enough hacks someone with a clue coming through
>> and making the code make more sense seems like a good idea anyway.
>
> Yep, I just came to the same conclusion myself, and I also verified the
> behavior emperically. That's definitely a problem. I'll get to work on
> fixing that.

At a quick glance it looks like lookup_bdev, and most of it's callers
need to be modified to do potentially do the additional permission
checking.

I expect we could move the devcgroup checks into whatever new checks we
wind up adding.

Fun, fun fun.

Eric


  reply	other threads:[~2015-07-30 17:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-15 19:46 [PATCH 0/7] Initial support for user namespace owned mounts Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 1/7] fs: Add user namesapace member to struct super_block Seth Forshee
2015-07-16  2:47   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-08-05 21:03     ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-05 21:19       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-08-06 14:20         ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-06 14:51           ` Stephen Smalley
2015-08-06 15:44             ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-06 16:11               ` Stephen Smalley
2015-08-07 14:16                 ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-07 14:32           ` Seth Forshee
2015-08-07 18:35             ` Casey Schaufler
2015-08-07 18:57               ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 2/7] userns: Simpilify MNT_NODEV handling Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 3/7] fs: Ignore file caps in mounts from other user namespaces Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 21:48   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-15 21:50     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-15 22:35       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  1:14         ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16  1:23           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16 13:06             ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16  1:19         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  4:23           ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  4:49             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  5:04               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  5:15                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  5:44                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16 13:13                     ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-17  0:43                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-29 16:04                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-29 16:18                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 4/7] fs: Treat foreign mounts as nosuid Seth Forshee
2015-07-17  6:46   ` Nikolay Borisov
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 5/7] security: Restrict security attribute updates for userns mounts Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 6/7] selinux: Ignore security labels on user namespace mounts Seth Forshee
2015-07-16 13:23   ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-22 16:02     ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-22 16:14       ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-22 20:25         ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-22 20:40           ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-23 13:57             ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-23 14:39               ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-23 15:36                 ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-23 16:23                   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-24 15:11                     ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-30 15:57                       ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-30 16:24                         ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 19:46 ` [PATCH 7/7] smack: Don't use security labels for " Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 20:43   ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-15 20:36 ` [PATCH 0/7] Initial support for user namespace owned mounts Casey Schaufler
2015-07-15 21:06   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-15 21:48     ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-15 22:28       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16  1:05         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  2:20           ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16 13:12           ` Stephen Smalley
2015-07-15 23:04       ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-15 22:39     ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16  1:08       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16  2:54         ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16  4:47           ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-17  0:09             ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-17  0:42               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-17  2:47                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-21 17:37                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-07-22  7:56                     ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-22 14:09                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-07-22 16:52                         ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-07-22 17:41                           ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-07-23  1:51                             ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-23 13:19                               ` J. Bruce Fields
2015-07-23 23:48                                 ` Dave Chinner
2015-07-18  0:07                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-20 17:54             ` Colin Walters
2015-07-16 11:16     ` Lukasz Pawelczyk
2015-07-17  0:10       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-17 10:13         ` Lukasz Pawelczyk
2015-07-16  3:15 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-16 13:59   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16 15:09     ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16 18:57       ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-16 21:42         ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16 22:27           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-16 23:08             ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16 23:29               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-17  0:45                 ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-17  0:59                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-07-17 14:28                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2015-07-17 14:56                       ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-21 20:35                     ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-22  1:52                       ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-22 15:56                         ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-22 18:10                           ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-22 19:32                             ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-23  0:05                               ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-23  0:15                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-23  5:15                                   ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-23 21:48                                   ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-28 20:40                                 ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-30 16:18                                   ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-30 17:05                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-30 17:25                                       ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-30 17:33                                         ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2015-07-17 13:21           ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-17 17:14             ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-16 15:59     ` Seth Forshee
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-07-30  4:24 Amir Goldstein
2015-07-30 13:55 ` Seth Forshee
2015-07-30 14:47   ` Amir Goldstein
2015-07-30 15:33     ` Casey Schaufler
2015-07-30 15:52       ` Colin Walters
2015-07-30 16:15         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-07-30 13:57 ` Serge Hallyn
2015-07-30 15:09   ` Amir Goldstein
2015-07-31  8:11 Amir Goldstein
2015-07-31 19:56 ` Casey Schaufler
2015-08-01 17:01   ` Amir Goldstein

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