public inbox for linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
To: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/1] exit: kill signal_struct->quick_threads
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 07:15:02 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r0d5t2nt.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240609142342.GA11165@redhat.com> (Oleg Nesterov's message of "Sun, 9 Jun 2024 16:23:42 +0200")

Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> writes:

> Hello,
>
> Eric, I can't understand why the commit ("signal: Guarantee that
> SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT is set on process exit") added the new
> quick_threads counter. And why, if we forget about --quick_threads,
> synchronize_group_exit() has to take siglock unconditionally.
> Did I miss something obvious?

At a minimum it is the exact same locking as everywhere else that sets
signal->flags, signal->group_exit_code, and signal->group_stop_count
uses.

So it would probably require some significant reason to not use
the same locking and complicate reasoning about the code.  I suspect
setting those values without siglock held is likely to lead to
interesting races.

May I ask which direction you are coming at this from?  Are you trying
to reduce the cost of do_exit?  Are you interested in untangling the
mess that is exiting threads in a process?

I have a branch around that I was slowly working through to detangle
the entire mess.  And if you are interested I can dig it back up.
My memory is I had all of the known issues worked through but I still
needed to feed the code through code review and merge it in small steps
to ensure I don't introduce regressions.

That is where signal->quick_threads comes from.  In the work it is a
part of I wind up moving the decrement up much sooner to the point where
individual threads decide to exit.  The decrement of signal->live comes
much too late to be useful in that context.

It is also part of me wanting to be able to uniformly use
SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT and signal->group_exit_code when talking about the
process state, and p->exit_code when talking about the per task state.

At the moment I am staring at wait_task_zombie and trying to understand
how:

	status = (p->signal->flags & SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT)
		? p->signal->group_exit_code : p->exit_code;

works without any locks or barriers.

Eric







  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-06-10 13:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-09 14:23 [PATCH 0/1] exit: kill signal_struct->quick_threads Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-09 14:24 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-09 18:28 ` [PATCH 0/1] " Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 10:50 ` Q: css_task_iter_advance() && dying_tasks Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 11:08   ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 20:02     ` Tejun Heo
2024-06-10 20:00   ` Tejun Heo
2024-06-10 12:15 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2024-06-10 15:29   ` [PATCH 0/1] exit: kill signal_struct->quick_threads Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 15:42     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-10 16:18     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-13 15:45     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-15 14:53       ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-17 18:37         ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-19  3:48           ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:04             ` [PATCH 0/17] exit: complete synchronize_group_exit Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:05               ` [PATCH 01/17] signal: Make SIGKILL during coredumps an explicit special case Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19 15:50                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-19 18:09                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19 19:11                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-21  5:46                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-21 10:40                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-21 16:30                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:05               ` [PATCH 02/17] signal: Compute the process exit_code in get_signal Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-25 12:34                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-19  4:06               ` [PATCH 03/17] coredump: Consolidate the work to allow SIGKILL during coredumps Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-25 12:34                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-19  4:06               ` [PATCH 04/17] signal: In get_signal call do_exit when it is unnecessary to shoot down threads Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-25 12:35                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-19  4:07               ` [PATCH 05/17] signal: Bring down all threads when handling a non-coredump fatal signal Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-25 12:56                 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-06-19  4:07               ` [PATCH 06/17] signal: Add JOBCTL_WILL_EXIT to mark exiting tasks Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:08               ` [PATCH 07/17] signal: Always set JOBCTL_WILL_EXIT for " Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-30 14:00                 ` kernel test robot
2024-06-19  4:08               ` [PATCH 08/17] signal: Don't target tasks that are exiting Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:09               ` [PATCH 09/17] signal: Test for process exit or de_thread using task_exit_pending Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:09               ` [PATCH 10/17] signal: Only set JOBCTL_WILL_EXIT if it is not already set Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:10               ` [PATCH 11/17] signal: Make individual tasks exiting a first class concept Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:10               ` [PATCH 12/17] signal: Remove zap_other_threads Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:11               ` [PATCH 13/17] signal: Stop skipping current in do_group_exit & get_signal Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-28  5:43                 ` kernel test robot
2024-06-19  4:11               ` [PATCH 14/17] signal: Factor out schedule_group_exit_locked Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:12               ` [PATCH 15/17] ptrace: Separate task->ptrace_code out from task->exit_code Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:12               ` [PATCH 16/17] signal: Record the exit_code when an exit is scheduled Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19  4:13               ` [PATCH 17/17] signal: Set SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT when all tasks have decided to exit Eric W. Biederman
2024-06-19 20:18             ` [PATCH 0/1] exit: kill signal_struct->quick_threads Oleg Nesterov

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=87r0d5t2nt.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org \
    --to=ebiederm@xmission.com \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=oleg@redhat.com \
    --cc=tj@kernel.org \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox