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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Tetsuo Handa <penguin-kernel@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>, paulmck@kernel.org
Cc: John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>, Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	x86@kernel.org, joel@joelfernandes.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] clocksource: disable irq when holding watchdog_lock.
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 14:14:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r0lq3j2t.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5ef329fe-1f3b-4d81-9625-9738620f051e@I-love.SAKURA.ne.jp>

On Thu, Oct 19 2023 at 18:30, Tetsuo Handa wrote:
> On 2023/10/17 23:10, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
>>> But I'm hitting something different (but might be timer/scheduler related) problem.
>>> What config option would cause taking more than 2 minutes to bring up only 8 CPUs?
>>> (This environment is Oracle VM VirtualBox on Windows 11 host.)
>>>
>> The timing is about the same in both cases.  Does this happen in kernels
>> built with CONFIG_PROVE_LOCKING=n?
>
> Disabling all options in "Lock Debugging (spinlocks, mutexes, etc...)" does not help.
>
>> 
>> Either way, what mainline or -stable version is this?
>
> The kernel is latest commit of upstream linux.git tree.
> I'm seeing this slowdown (almost hung-up) problem for many releases,
> but nobody else seems to be reporting this problem.

Maybe because of this:
>>> (This environment is Oracle VM VirtualBox on Windows 11 host.)

> The only reliable workaround is to specify "nosmp" kernel command line option.

Which makes the kernel keep TSC as clocksource because there is no
synchronization problem between CPU0 and CPU0 :)

What is the fallback clocksource when the TSC is discarded on SMP?

From the dmesg snippets I assume it is the ACPI PMTIMER, which is I/O
port based and presumably takes a VMEXIT on every read and depending on
the emulation this might be slooooow.

So you could boot with "nosmp clocksource=acpi_pm" on the command line
and compare that against a "nosmp" boot.

If my assumption is right, then on UP the ACPI PM variant won't see the
massive slowdown SMP observes, but there should be still an observable
difference.

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-19 12:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-13 14:51 [PATCH] clocksource: disable irq when holding watchdog_lock Tetsuo Handa
2023-10-16 17:46 ` John Stultz
2023-10-16 21:47   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-16 23:03     ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-17  6:49       ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-17 14:11         ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-17 10:37     ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-10-17 14:10       ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-19  9:30         ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-10-19 12:14           ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2023-10-19 14:26             ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-10-20  3:30               ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-20 12:50                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-10-20 13:40                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2023-10-24 13:00               ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-24 14:52                 ` Tetsuo Handa
2023-10-25 21:28                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-25 21:31       ` [PATCH] x86/tsc: Defer marking TSC unstable to a worker Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-26  9:39         ` [tip: x86/urgent] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-27 18:46         ` tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2023-10-20  9:02     ` [PATCH] clocksource: disable irq when holding watchdog_lock Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2023-10-26  2:33 ` kernel test robot

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