From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74B1ECD98F5 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2023 07:27:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1344778AbjJKH1h (ORCPT ); Wed, 11 Oct 2023 03:27:37 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:47964 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1344888AbjJKH1d (ORCPT ); Wed, 11 Oct 2023 03:27:33 -0400 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3F948F; Wed, 11 Oct 2023 00:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BDCA8C433C8; Wed, 11 Oct 2023 07:27:28 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1697009251; bh=03aSR9vRMyR6WZ4IDbMq/8rQA70nwzn1OKbYDhAxn34=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=AHixd93NgnbD0YCJeZq2fcEy2ebK/TS8VICXgDNmLSzi5dRPe8UA8+cWwHCtnMaHW vMJBZjhZYK1KqZpV3P9DUn1ZnKUtuBokHyk1imkMlPPDwY655vi50wGWoiaHVFwluC 55PCrbs7BT+kk6x7LSnkN3PGlPA7pcGHi3qETw3TDTnlPo1ojFdlh30pInNNP5fPGq 6udcrSx+IGBvGZX7i6JiSFr02rTol2qEu4MLbcKvis8LH+H4oqwiKqyk+7z+/FG+5v rJ3/twlRbCQNR4KwAzvAEYJLsV3gZczzKCPn/MM8yvlSy+rIb4BrGR4DnzmuGgzm20 vOpSrMbBTc3yw== From: Kalle Valo To: Greg Kroah-Hartman Cc: Arnd Bergmann , Arnd Bergmann , Nicolas Ferre , Alexandre Belloni , Claudiu Beznea , Jakub Kicinski , Pavel Machek , "David S. Miller" , Larry Finger , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-staging@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] wireless: move obsolete drivers to staging References: <20231010155444.858483-1-arnd@kernel.org> <2023101051-unmasked-cleaver-79b3@gregkh> <87y1g94szz.fsf@kernel.org> <2023101139-pyromania-game-2237@gregkh> Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:29:58 +0300 In-Reply-To: <2023101139-pyromania-game-2237@gregkh> (Greg Kroah-Hartman's message of "Wed, 11 Oct 2023 08:16:38 +0200") Message-ID: <87r0m1fwg9.fsf@kernel.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Greg Kroah-Hartman writes: > On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 08:40:00AM +0300, Kalle Valo wrote: > >> We (the wireless folks) have been talking about dropping legacy drivers >> on and off for several years now. The problem is that we don't know >> which of them work and which not, for example IIRC someone reported >> recently that wl3501 still works. >> >> Personally I would be extremly happy to remove all the ancient drivers >> as that reduces the amount of code for us to maintain but is that the >> right thing to do for the users? I don't have an answer to that, >> comments very welcome. >> >> I have been also wondering if I should add warnings like this to every >> ancient driver to see if there are any users left: >> >> "wl3501 wireless driver will be removed in 2024. If the driver still >> works and you are using it send a report NOW to >> linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org to avoid the removal." >> >> But with the long release cycles the kernel and distros have I doubt >> waiting for a year is enough, it should be more like three years. > > No matter what the time frame is, it's never going to line up with all > distros, or catch everyone properly. Yeah, that's true. > I recommend, just delete all the ones you feel are not being used, in a > patch that removes them one-by-one, so that it is trivial to revert if > someone shows up and says "hey, my device stopped working!" a few years > in the future. I'm starting to lean towards this as well. We have talked about this for so long now but no practical solution ever found so maybe just bite the bullet finally. What do others think? -- https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-wireless/list/ https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/documentation/submittingpatches