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From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>, Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/4] fs/dcache: Avoid the try_lock loops in dentry_kill()
Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 00:05:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r2pk358g.fsf@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFxku7bB9BEBrqgREc5ac4MK9CGLir1c7ZA-7bjp-Q2tAg@mail.gmail.com> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:42:36 -0800")

On 2018-02-16, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
>> lock_parent() already has the problem you are referring to. Callers
>> are required to recheck the dentry contents and check the returned
>> parent because they do not know if the trylock succeeded. See
>> d_prune_aliases(), for example.
>
> What are you talking about?
>
> lock_parent() does the nice "spin_trylock succeeded" special case.
>
> Yes, it will then do the "unlock dentry, do the parent first, then
> re-check" too, and callers may need to worry about it.
>
> But that's not what I'm complaining about in your patch. You remove
> the simple case, and make dentry_kill() do the "recheck in case I
> dropped" every single time.

dentry_lock_inode() uses the same semantics as lock_parent(). The caller
does not know if the trylock succeeded. Any caller using lock_parent()
must "recheck in case I dropped", just as with dentry_lock_inode(). This
is what you have pointed out.

> The fact that there are _other_ complex cases doesn't make it any
> better. The whole "but Bobby does it too" thing is not a defense.
> Would you jump off a bridge just because your friend did it?

dentry_kill() calls both dentry_lock_inode() and lock_parent() in the
common case. So by changing the semantics of lock_parent(), I am
removing two "recheck in case I dropped" in the common case rather than
just the one you pointed out.

John Ogness

  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-16 23:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-16 15:09 [PATCH 0/4] fs/dcache: avoid trylock loops John Ogness
2018-02-16 15:09 ` [PATCH 1/4] fs/dcache: Remove stale comment from dentry_kill() John Ogness
2018-02-16 15:09 ` [PATCH 2/4] fs/dcache: Move dentry_kill() below lock_parent() John Ogness
2018-02-16 15:09 ` [PATCH 3/4] fs/dcache: Avoid the try_lock loop in d_delete() John Ogness
2018-02-16 17:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-16 17:30   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22  5:18   ` Al Viro
2018-02-22  8:35     ` John Ogness
2018-02-16 15:09 ` [PATCH 4/4] fs/dcache: Avoid the try_lock loops in dentry_kill() John Ogness
2018-02-16 18:03   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-16 22:32     ` John Ogness
2018-02-16 22:42       ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-16 23:05         ` John Ogness [this message]
2018-02-16 23:31           ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-16 23:49             ` John Ogness
2018-02-17  0:06               ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-19 23:34                 ` John Ogness
2018-02-20  0:42                   ` Linus Torvalds
2018-02-20  8:39                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-20  8:43                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22  5:29                   ` Al Viro
2018-02-22  5:40     ` Al Viro

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