From: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@linux.intel.com>
To: Nicholas Mc Guire <hofrat@osadl.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
Nicholas Mc Guire <hofrat@osadl.org>,
Dan Carpenter <dan.carpenter@oracle.com>,
Julia Lawall <julia.lawall@lip6.fr>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] doc: add note on usleep_range range
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:10:50 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87r35ctcrp.fsf@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1481601523-14004-1-git-send-email-hofrat@osadl.org>
On Tue, 13 Dec 2016, Nicholas Mc Guire <hofrat@osadl.org> wrote:
> useleep_range() with a delta of 0 makes no sense and only prevents the
> timer subsystem from optimizing interrupts. As any user of usleep_range()
> is in non-atomic context the timer jitter is in the range of 10s of
> microseconds anyway.
>
> This adds a note making it clear that a range of 0 is a bad idea.
So I don't really have anything to do with the timer subsystem, I'm just
their "consumer", so take this with a grain of salt.
Documentation is good, but I don't think this will be enough.
I think the only thing that will work is to detect and complain about
things like this automatically. Some ideas:
* WARN_ON(min == max) or WARN_ON_ONCE(min == max) in usleep_range()
might be drastic, but it would get the job done eventually.
* If you want to avoid the runtime overhead (and complaints about the
backtraces), you could wrap usleep_range() in a macro that does
BUILD_BUG_ON(min == max) if the parameters are build time constants
(they usually are). But you'd have to fix all the problem cases first.
* You could try (to persuade Julia or Dan) to come up with a
cocci/smatch check for usleep_range() calls where min == max, so we
could get bug reports for this. This probably works on expressions, so
this would catch also cases where the parameters aren't built time
constants.
BR,
Jani.
>
> Signed-off-by: Nicholas Mc Guire <hofrat@osadl.org>
> ---
>
> as of 4.9.0 there are about 20 cases of usleep_ranges() that have
> min==max and none of them really look like they are necessary, so
> it does seem like a relatively common misunderstanding worth
> noting in the documentation.
>
> Patch is against 4.9.0 (localversion-next is 20161212)
>
> Documentation/timers/timers-howto.txt | 7 +++++++
> 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/timers/timers-howto.txt b/Documentation/timers/timers-howto.txt
> index 038f8c7..b5cdf82 100644
> --- a/Documentation/timers/timers-howto.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/timers/timers-howto.txt
> @@ -93,6 +93,13 @@ NON-ATOMIC CONTEXT:
> tolerances here are very situation specific, thus it
> is left to the caller to determine a reasonable range.
>
> + A range of 0, that is usleep_range(100,100) or the
> + like, do not make sense as this code is in a
> + non-atomic section and a system can not be expected
> + to have jitter 0. For any non-RT code any delta
> + less than 50 microseconds probably is only preventing
> + timer subsystem optimization but providing no benefit.
> +
> SLEEPING FOR LARGER MSECS ( 10ms+ )
> * Use msleep or possibly msleep_interruptible
--
Jani Nikula, Intel Open Source Technology Center
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-12-13 9:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-12-13 3:58 [PATCH] doc: add note on usleep_range range Nicholas Mc Guire
2016-12-13 9:10 ` Jani Nikula [this message]
2016-12-13 9:19 ` Nicholas Mc Guire
2016-12-13 10:18 ` Jani Nikula
2016-12-13 12:05 ` Julia Lawall
2016-12-13 12:24 ` Nicholas Mc Guire
2016-12-14 0:27 ` Joe Perches
2016-12-14 0:37 ` Nicholas Mc Guire
2016-12-14 6:10 ` Joe Perches
2016-12-27 21:56 ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-07 19:41 ` Nicholas Mc Guire
2017-01-10 21:25 ` Pavel Machek
2017-01-11 8:50 ` Nicholas Mc Guire
2017-01-12 10:32 ` Pavel Machek
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