From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF823CDB48D for ; Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:49:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1347180AbjJLLtM (ORCPT ); Thu, 12 Oct 2023 07:49:12 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:49690 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1378847AbjJLLrU (ORCPT ); Thu, 12 Oct 2023 07:47:20 -0400 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B50B1A5; Thu, 12 Oct 2023 04:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 29692C433C8; Thu, 12 Oct 2023 11:47:05 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1697111229; bh=Os/rNYAUGPL9imcxx13LMUsomb2BE6SwhLERSQGYHhY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=fyWT3MLEW1gImBZOebPavwDqi8qE6hF1yUAbAy6IIPxDuxtOBsXzsEYb2jkWWXfgD TZ/j4YZwEHDQIN3IaI8MRA6IF+gmYEUck2qy7B6+uUVKkU3iACYVdZrCJRkRwW9Ww4 yKGN65dkV5mHmyFWmOYoFo+L16YMw+hdk3RfcvWTbDjBzpx3JTzVX92IjXMLqtEj0i +R1VOtRwueBgf2L4GcM6VVrsU9ca2DXyzxbbZdix49Aw9ZQpcTwxphQSiFWZ9Z6bou eyMMmQ4aRjnJTRIEG7XQU4/HIA3zc4rb8uUawk143bDjCCviRZ4zdrwNFhNBeg/OYQ 38QyvtFWyTvXQ== From: Kalle Valo To: Jakub Kicinski Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman , Arnd Bergmann , Arnd Bergmann , Nicolas Ferre , Alexandre Belloni , Claudiu Beznea , Pavel Machek , "David S. Miller" , Larry Finger , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-staging@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [PATCH] [RFC] wireless: move obsolete drivers to staging References: <20231010155444.858483-1-arnd@kernel.org> <2023101051-unmasked-cleaver-79b3@gregkh> <87y1g94szz.fsf@kernel.org> <2023101139-pyromania-game-2237@gregkh> <87r0m1fwg9.fsf@kernel.org> <20231011080955.1beeb010@kernel.org> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2023 14:47:03 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20231011080955.1beeb010@kernel.org> (Jakub Kicinski's message of "Wed, 11 Oct 2023 08:09:55 -0700") Message-ID: <87sf6g2hc8.fsf@kernel.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Jakub Kicinski writes: > On Wed, 11 Oct 2023 10:29:58 +0300 Kalle Valo wrote: >> > No matter what the time frame is, it's never going to line up with all >> > distros, or catch everyone properly. >> >> Yeah, that's true. >> >> > I recommend, just delete all the ones you feel are not being used, in a >> > patch that removes them one-by-one, so that it is trivial to revert if >> > someone shows up and says "hey, my device stopped working!" a few years >> > in the future. >> >> I'm starting to lean towards this as well. We have talked about this for >> so long now but no practical solution ever found so maybe just bite the >> bullet finally. What do others think? > > FWIW in Ethernet we do what Greg says. Delete it, if someone complains > we revert back in. The revert did actually happen once, it was pretty > painless (Greg even took it into stable tree, IIRC). Thanks, good to know that you have had positive experiences with this approach. As I didn't hear any concerns from anyone so I'm convinced we should do this. I'm sure it will make my life a lot easier :) Is anyone willing to submit patches? Use wireless-next as the baseline for patches and one driver per commit, please. That way it's easy to revert later, if needed (hopefully not). -- https://patchwork.kernel.org/project/linux-wireless/list/ https://wireless.wiki.kernel.org/en/developers/documentation/submittingpatches