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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Jürg Billeter" <j@bitron.ch>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Filipe Brandenburger <filbranden@google.com>,
	David Wilcox <davidvsthegiant@gmail.com>,
	hansecke@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RESEND PATCH] prctl: add PR_[GS]ET_PDEATHSIG_PROC
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2017 14:05:40 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87shf09hmj.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1507052834.19102.53.camel@bitron.ch> ("Jürg Billeter"'s message of "Tue, 03 Oct 2017 19:47:14 +0200")

Jürg Billeter <j@bitron.ch> writes:

> On Tue, 2017-10-03 at 12:40 -0500, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Jürg Billeter <j@bitron.ch> writes:
>> > What's actually the reason that CLONE_NEWPID requires CAP_SYS_ADMIN? 
>> > Does CLONE_NEWPID pose any risks that don't exist for
>> > CLONE_NEWUSER|CLONE_NEWPID?  Assuming we can't simply drop the
>> > CAP_SYS_ADMIN requirement, do you see a better solution for this use
>> > case?
>> 
>> CLONE_NEWPID without a permission check would allow runing a setuid root
>> application in a pid namespace.  Off the top of my head I can't think of
>> a really good exploit.  But when you mess up pid files, and hide
>> information from a privileged application I can completely imagine
>> forcing that application to misbehave in ways the attacker can control.
>> Leading to bad things.
>
> Could we allow unprivileged CLONE_NEWPID if the no_new_privs bit is
> set?

We discussed this early on, and the decision was that no_new_privs would
be kept simple and the user namespace would be what enabled additional
functionality.

Given how much of a challenge dealing with the additional attack surface
of enabling additional functionality in the kernel I think that was the
right call.  That has been the difference between no_new_privs being
done and user namespaces interesting since they have been merged.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2017-10-03 19:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-09  9:40 [PATCH] prctl: add PR_[GS]ET_PDEATHSIG_PROC Jürg Billeter
2017-09-12 17:05 ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-09-12 18:54   ` Jürg Billeter
2017-09-13 17:11     ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-09-13 17:26       ` Jürg Billeter
2017-09-13 17:48         ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-09-29 12:30 ` [RESEND PATCH] " Jürg Billeter
2017-10-02 23:20   ` Andrew Morton
2017-10-03  3:25     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-03  6:45       ` Jürg Billeter
2017-10-03 14:46         ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-03 16:10           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-03 16:36             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-03 17:02               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-03 19:30                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-03 20:02                   ` Linus Torvalds
2017-10-03 20:32                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-03 17:00           ` Jürg Billeter
2017-10-03 17:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-10-03 17:47               ` Jürg Billeter
2017-10-03 19:05                 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2017-10-05 16:27             ` Oleg Nesterov
2017-10-08 17:47               ` Jürg Billeter
2017-10-09 16:32                 ` Eric W. Biederman

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