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From: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
Cc: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v9 01/12] asm-generic: barrier: Add smp_cond_load_relaxed_timeout()
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2026 20:58:08 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tsvj6hwf.fsf@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260212095621.4d99317b@pumpkin>


David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sun,  8 Feb 2026 18:31:42 -0800
> Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com> wrote:
>
>> Add smp_cond_load_relaxed_timeout(), which extends
>> smp_cond_load_relaxed() to allow waiting for a duration.
>>
>> We loop around waiting for the condition variable to change while
>> peridically doing a time-check. The loop uses cpu_poll_relax() to slow
>> down the busy-waiting, which, unless overridden by the architecture
>> code, amounts to a cpu_relax().
>>
>> Note that there are two ways for the time-check to fail: the usual
>> timeout case or, @time_expr_ns returning an invalid value (negative
>> or zero). The second failure mode allows for clocks attached to the
>> clock-domain of @cond_expr, which might cease to operate meaningfully
>> once some state internal to @cond_expr has changed.
>>
>> Evaluation of @time_expr_ns: in the fastpath we want to keep the
>> performance close to smp_cond_load_relaxed(). To do that we defer
>> evaluation of the potentially costly @time_expr_ns to when we hit
>> the slowpath.
>>
>> This also means that there will always be some hardware dependent
>> duration that has passed in cpu_poll_relax() iterations at the time of
>> first evaluation. Additionally cpu_poll_relax() is not guaranteed to
>> return at timeout boundary. In sum, expect timeout overshoot when we
>> exit due to expiration of the timeout.
>>
>> The number of spin iterations before time-check, SMP_TIMEOUT_POLL_COUNT
>> is chosen to be 200 by default. With a cpu_poll_relax() iteration
>> taking ~20-30 cycles (measured on a variety of x86 platforms), we expect
>> a tim-check every ~4000-6000 cycles.
>     ^ time-check

Ugh. Thanks.

> Plus the cost of evaluating cond_expr 200 times.
> I guess that isn't expected to contain a PCIe read :-)

:). Good point. I'll see if I can add something like "when polling on
a memory address".


Ankur


>>
>> The outer limit of the overshoot is double that when working with the
>> parameters above. This might be higher or lower depending on the
>> implementation of cpu_poll_relax() across architectures.
>>
>> Lastly, config option ARCH_HAS_CPU_RELAX indicates availability of a
>> cpu_poll_relax() that is cheaper than polling. This might be relevant
>> for cases with a prolonged timeout.
>>
>> Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
>> Cc: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
>> Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
>> Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
>> Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
>> Signed-off-by: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
>> ---
>> Notes:
>>   - Defer evaluation of @time_expr_ns to when we hit the slowpath.
>>   - This also helps get rid of the labelled gotos which were used to
>>     handle the early failure case (since now there's no early init
>>     to be concerned with.)
>>   - Add a comment mentioning that the cpu_poll_relax() implementation
>>     is better than polling if ARCH_HAS_CPU_RELAX.
>>
>>  include/asm-generic/barrier.h | 72 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>  1 file changed, 72 insertions(+)
>>
>> diff --git a/include/asm-generic/barrier.h b/include/asm-generic/barrier.h
>> index d4f581c1e21d..2738fe35c1df 100644
>> --- a/include/asm-generic/barrier.h
>> +++ b/include/asm-generic/barrier.h
>> @@ -273,6 +273,68 @@ do {									\
>>  })
>>  #endif
>>
>> +/*
>> + * Number of times we iterate in the loop before doing the time check.
>> + */
>> +#ifndef SMP_TIMEOUT_POLL_COUNT
>> +#define SMP_TIMEOUT_POLL_COUNT		200
>> +#endif
>> +
>> +/*
>> + * Platforms with ARCH_HAS_CPU_RELAX have a cpu_poll_relax() implementation
>> + * that is expected to be cheaper (lower power) than pure polling.
>> + */
>> +#ifndef cpu_poll_relax
>> +#define cpu_poll_relax(ptr, val, timeout_ns)	cpu_relax()
>> +#endif
>> +
>> +/**
>> + * smp_cond_load_relaxed_timeout() - (Spin) wait for cond with no ordering
>> + * guarantees until a timeout expires.
>> + * @ptr: pointer to the variable to wait on.
>> + * @cond: boolean expression to wait for.
>> + * @time_expr_ns: expression that evaluates to monotonic time (in ns) or,
>> + *  on failure, returns a negative value.
>> + * @timeout_ns: timeout value in ns
>> + * Both of the above are assumed to be compatible with s64; the signed
>> + * value is used to handle the failure case in @time_expr_ns.
>> + *
>> + * Equivalent to using READ_ONCE() on the condition variable.
>> + *
>> + * Callers that expect to wait for prolonged durations might want to
>> + * take into account the availability of ARCH_HAS_CPU_RELAX.
>> + */
>> +#ifndef smp_cond_load_relaxed_timeout
>> +#define smp_cond_load_relaxed_timeout(ptr, cond_expr,			\
>> +				      time_expr_ns, timeout_ns)		\
>> +({									\
>> +	typeof(ptr) __PTR = (ptr);					\
>> +	__unqual_scalar_typeof(*ptr) VAL;				\
>> +	u32 __n = 0, __spin = SMP_TIMEOUT_POLL_COUNT;			\
>> +	s64 __timeout = (s64)timeout_ns;				\
>> +	s64 __time_now, __time_end = 0;					\
>> +									\
>> +	for (;;) {							\
>> +		VAL = READ_ONCE(*__PTR);				\
>> +		if (cond_expr) 						\
>> +			break;						\
>> +		cpu_poll_relax(__PTR, VAL, (u64)__timeout);		\
>> +		if (++__n < __spin)					\
>> +			continue;					\
>> +		__time_now = (s64)(time_expr_ns);			\
>> +		if (unlikely(__time_end == 0))				\
>> +			__time_end = __time_now + __timeout;		\
>> +		__timeout = __time_end - __time_now;			\
>> +		if (__time_now <= 0 || __timeout <= 0) {		\
>> +			VAL = READ_ONCE(*__PTR);			\
>> +			break;						\
>> +		}							\
>> +		__n = 0;						\
>> +	}								\
>> +	(typeof(*ptr))VAL;						\
>> +})
>> +#endif
>> +
>>  /*
>>   * pmem_wmb() ensures that all stores for which the modification
>>   * are written to persistent storage by preceding instructions have


--
ankur

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-14  4:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-09  2:31 [PATCH v9 00/12] barrier: Add smp_cond_load_{relaxed,acquire}_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-02-09  2:31 ` [PATCH v9 01/12] asm-generic: barrier: Add smp_cond_load_relaxed_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-02-09  4:57   ` Randy Dunlap
2026-02-10  5:52     ` Ankur Arora
2026-02-11 15:39   ` Catalin Marinas
2026-02-11 22:17     ` Ankur Arora
2026-02-12  9:56   ` David Laight
2026-02-14  4:58     ` Ankur Arora [this message]
2026-02-14 11:31       ` David Laight
2026-02-18  6:33         ` Ankur Arora
2026-02-09  2:31 ` [PATCH v9 02/12] arm64: barrier: Support smp_cond_load_relaxed_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-02-11 15:54   ` Catalin Marinas
2026-02-11 22:57     ` Ankur Arora
2026-02-09  2:31 ` [PATCH v9 03/12] arm64/delay: move some constants out to a separate header Ankur Arora
2026-02-11 16:01   ` Catalin Marinas
2026-02-09  2:31 ` [PATCH v9 04/12] arm64: support WFET in smp_cond_load_relaxed_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-02-11 17:11   ` Catalin Marinas
2026-02-11 23:13     ` Ankur Arora
2026-02-09  2:31 ` [PATCH v9 05/12] arm64: rqspinlock: Remove private copy of smp_cond_load_acquire_timewait() Ankur Arora
2026-02-09  2:31 ` [PATCH v9 06/12] asm-generic: barrier: Add smp_cond_load_acquire_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-02-09  4:59   ` Randy Dunlap
2026-02-09  2:31 ` [PATCH v9 07/12] atomic: Add atomic_cond_read_*_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-02-11 17:25   ` Catalin Marinas
2026-02-09  2:31 ` [PATCH v9 08/12] locking/atomic: scripts: build atomic_long_cond_read_*_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-02-11 17:41   ` Catalin Marinas
2026-02-09  2:31 ` [PATCH v9 09/12] bpf/rqspinlock: switch check_timeout() to a clock interface Ankur Arora
2026-02-09  3:05   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-02-09  2:31 ` [PATCH v9 10/12] bpf/rqspinlock: Use smp_cond_load_acquire_timeout() Ankur Arora
2026-02-09  2:31 ` [PATCH v9 11/12] sched: add need-resched timed wait interface Ankur Arora
2026-02-09  3:05   ` bot+bpf-ci
2026-02-09  2:31 ` [PATCH v9 12/12] cpuidle/poll_state: Wait for need-resched via tif_need_resched_relaxed_wait() Ankur Arora
2026-02-10 16:55   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2026-02-11  0:29     ` Ankur Arora

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