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From: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>,
	Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Roman Penyaev <rpenyaev@suse.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] locking/rwlocks: do not starve writers
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 11:55:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tu8eez22.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wiEZmzBUFkZkBrJv3JSJkQ+qxaMZU_Sx1WTpMHs2SOAiQ@mail.gmail.com> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Fri, 17 Jun 2022 14:48:08 -0500")

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:

> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 2:39 PM Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am converting RAW sockets to RCU.
>
> RCU is usually absolutely the best approach. Use regular spinlocks for
> writers, and RCU for readers.
>
> I'd love to see the tasklist_lock be converted to RCU too.  But that
> locks predates RCU (and probably 99% of all kernel code), and it's
> messy, so nobody sane has ever willingly tried to do that afaik.

Well sort of.  I converted proc many many years ago.

Like Peter mentioned the big obvious challenge for converting
signal delivery to something else is the atomic delivery aspect.

I am playing with it, and I think I see how to convert signal delivery.
Something like a quick grab of lock that updates struct pid and creates
a list of signals are pending to be delivered.  Plus code that forces
clone to deliver the pending signal before clone creates a new task.

Plus something like a generation counter so I can see when pulling the
signal in clone if the signal has already been delivered.

I think tasks exiting before getting a signal is ok, and does not need
any code.


I have some patches that are almost working that can use siglock to
protect the parent/child/ptrace relation ship for SIGCHLD processing.
Which will remove the pressure on tasklist_lock when I get them sorted.


Not that any of this will kill tasklist_lock but with a little luck we
can get to short deterministic hold times.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-06-21 16:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-17  9:10 [PATCH] locking/rwlocks: do not starve writers Eric Dumazet
2022-06-17 12:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-06-17 14:43   ` Waiman Long
2022-06-17 14:57     ` Shakeel Butt
2022-06-17 15:00       ` Waiman Long
2022-06-17 15:24         ` Eric Dumazet
2022-06-17 15:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-06-17 17:41           ` Waiman Long
2022-06-17 17:45             ` Eric Dumazet
2022-06-17 18:57               ` Waiman Long
2022-06-17 19:04               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-06-17 19:10                 ` Eric Dumazet
2022-06-17 19:19                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-17 19:25                     ` Eric Dumazet
2022-06-17 19:34                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-17 19:39                         ` Eric Dumazet
2022-06-17 19:48                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-06-20  7:25                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-06-21 16:55                             ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2022-06-17 21:58                           ` David Laight
2022-06-17 19:34                     ` Shakeel Butt
2022-06-17 19:08               ` Linus Torvalds

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