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From: Momchil Velikov <velco@fadata.bg>
To: Aaron Lehmann <aaronl@vitelus.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.linuxppc.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] C undefined behavior fix
Date: 02 Jan 2002 13:40:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87u1u5yoa1.fsf@fadata.bg> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87g05py8qq.fsf@fadata.bg> <20020102112821.GA13212@vitelus.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020102112821.GA13212@vitelus.com>

>>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron Lehmann <aaronl@vitelus.com> writes:

Aaron> On Wed, Jan 02, 2002 at 01:03:25AM +0200, Momchil Velikov wrote:
>> Thus 
>> strcpy (dst, "abcdef" + 2)
>> gives
>> memcpy (dst, "abcdef" + 2, 5)

Aaron> IMHO gcc should not be touching these function calls, as they are not
Aaron> made to a standard C library, and thus have different behaviors. I'm
Aaron> suprised that gcc tries to optimize calls to these functions just
Aaron> based on their names.

IIRC, these identifiers are reserved by the C standard, thus the
compiler is right to assume that they have standard behavior. And note
that they DO have the standard behavior. It even doesn't matter if GCC
is right to judge by the names in each and every case, it is right
in _this_ case.

Aaron> The gcc manpage mentions

Aaron>        -ffreestanding
Aaron>            Assert that compilation takes place in a freestanding
Aaron>            environment.  This implies -fno-builtin.  A freestand­
Aaron>            ing environment is one in which the standard library
Aaron>            may not exist, and program startup may not necessarily
Aaron>            be at "main".  The most obvious example is an OS ker­
Aaron>            nel.  This is equivalent to -fno-hosted.

Aaron> Why is Linux not using this? It sounds very appropriate. The only

Because it results in less optimization. I see no point in
deliberately preventing the compiler from doing optimizations.

Regards,
-velco

  reply	other threads:[~2002-01-02 12:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 204+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-01-01 23:03 [PATCH] C undefined behavior fix Momchil Velikov
2002-01-01 23:43 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02  6:54   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 15:39     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 15:50       ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 16:45         ` Paul Koning
2002-01-02 22:56     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:37       ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03  2:51         ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03  6:29           ` law
2002-01-03 13:16             ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-04  9:05       ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 22:14         ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 14:56   ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-02 10:29 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-02 10:41   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 13:11     ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-02 15:54       ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:28 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-01-02 11:40   ` Momchil Velikov [this message]
2002-01-02 15:59     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 11:48   ` Alan Cox
2002-01-02 19:09 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 20:13   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 20:42     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 21:36   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:05     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 22:23       ` jtv
2002-01-02 23:12         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 23:45           ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:01             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  0:07               ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03  0:16                 ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  1:12                   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03  0:20                 ` jtv
2002-01-03  2:33                 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03  8:32                   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-03 10:10                     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 22:41                       ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-04  8:48                       ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-03 10:03                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-01-03  0:25               ` Alan Cox
2002-01-03  0:35                 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03  2:10                   ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 22:39                     ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-04  9:29                       ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 15:46                   ` Edgar Toernig
2002-01-03 16:48                     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-03 17:13                     ` jtv
2002-01-03 21:26                   ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-01-02 22:27       ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:35         ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 22:44           ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 22:50             ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 22:40         ` Pavel Machek
2002-01-04  8:42           ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-02 23:11   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:26     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-02 23:28     ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 23:34       ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  0:19         ` jtv
2002-01-03  0:29           ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03  1:03             ` jtv
2002-01-03  1:17               ` Tom Rini
2002-01-03 17:44                 ` jtv
2002-01-03  4:08   ` Cameron Simpson
2002-01-03  4:32     ` Tom Rini
2002-01-04  8:42   ` [PATCH] " Florian Weimer
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2002-01-02 10:02 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-02 23:02 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-02 23:27   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-02 17:40 Petr Vandrovec
2002-01-02 22:24 ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-02 22:39   ` Joe Buck
2002-01-02 22:59     ` David Woodhouse
2002-01-03 18:44   ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-02 23:53 dewar
2002-01-02 23:59 ` Joe Buck
2002-01-03  3:12   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 15:45     ` Joe Buck
2002-01-03  0:12 dewar
2002-01-03  0:32 ` jtv
2002-01-06 19:37   ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-03  0:49 dewar
2002-01-03 10:05 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 10:49 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-03 11:59   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-03 23:53     ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-04  9:52       ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-05  6:45         ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06  0:20           ` Lars Brinkhoff
2002-01-09  9:28   ` Fergus Henderson
2002-01-09 10:58     ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-03 10:35 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-03 12:51 dewar
2002-01-03 13:28 dewar
2002-01-04  8:38 ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 11:35   ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 19:25     ` jkl
2002-01-05 19:37       ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-05 20:06         ` jkl
2002-01-05 21:42           ` Joseph S. Myers
2002-01-06  4:09         ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-05 20:01       ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-05 20:17         ` jkl
2002-01-05 20:51           ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-04 12:14 dewar
2002-01-04 12:15 dewar
2002-01-04 22:43 dewar
2002-01-06  3:40 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06  0:52 dewar
2002-01-06  4:26 dewar
2002-01-06  5:32 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06 11:09   ` Momchil Velikov
2002-01-06  7:56 mike stump
2002-01-06 13:05 dewar
2002-01-06 13:41 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 13:07 dewar
2002-01-06 13:16 dewar
2002-01-06 13:22 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:41 dewar
2002-01-06 16:58 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 13:43 dewar
2002-01-06 13:55 ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 16:22 dewar
2002-01-06 16:39 ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 19:27   ` Laurent Guerby
2002-01-06 19:43     ` Alan Cox
2002-01-06 18:20 mike stump
2002-01-06 18:24 mike stump
2002-01-06 20:37 ` Gabriel Dos Reis
2002-01-06 21:59   ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-06 22:19     ` Jakub Jelinek
2002-01-07  0:09       ` Tom Rini
2002-01-07  1:40         ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-06 18:37 mike stump
2002-01-06 19:29 dewar
2002-01-06 19:29 dewar
2002-01-06 19:32 dewar
2002-01-07 13:24 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 21:49 ` jtv
2002-01-07 22:28   ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-07 22:16     ` jtv
2002-01-08  0:27       ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-08 11:41         ` jtv
2002-01-08 12:36           ` Alexandre Oliva
2002-01-08 12:58             ` jtv
2002-01-09 19:47         ` Gérard Roudier
2002-01-09 20:44           ` jtv
2002-01-09 23:49           ` J.A. Magallon
2002-01-10  0:19             ` Peter Barada
2002-01-10  1:47               ` Fergus Henderson
2002-01-10 15:30                 ` Peter Barada
2002-01-10 10:13             ` Matthias Benkmann
2002-01-10 10:44           ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-01-07 13:29 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 18:38 mike stump
2002-01-07 19:17 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-07 19:18 mike stump
2002-01-07 19:36 mike stump
2002-01-07 21:21 ` Theodore Tso
2002-01-08  0:19 ` Paul Mackerras
2002-01-08  1:02   ` Richard Henderson
2002-01-07 22:26 Tim McDaniel
2002-01-07 22:56 mike stump
2002-01-07 23:11 dewar
2002-01-07 23:12 dewar
2002-01-07 23:15 dewar
2002-01-07 23:20 dewar
2002-01-07 23:46 mike stump
2002-01-08  0:16 mike stump
2002-01-08 11:33 ` jtv
2002-01-08  9:44 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-08 11:44 ` 'jtv'
2002-01-08 11:12 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-11  9:52 ` Horst von Brand
2002-01-09  0:51 dewar
2002-01-09  1:19 dewar
2002-01-09  1:51 mike stump
2002-01-09  2:13 dewar
2002-01-09  2:18 dewar
2002-01-09  9:06 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-09  9:25 ` Bernd Petrovitsch
2002-01-09 10:40 dewar
2002-01-09 10:41 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-09 21:59 ` Gérard Roudier
2002-01-09 10:42 dewar
2002-01-09 19:53 mike stump
2002-01-09 20:12 ` Paul Koning
2002-01-09 20:08 dewar
2002-01-09 20:32 dewar
2002-01-09 21:43 ` Paul Koning
2002-01-09 21:54 dewar
2002-01-10  1:21 dewar
2002-01-10  4:37 ` Tim Hollebeek
2002-01-10  1:22 dewar
2002-01-10  2:16 dewar
2002-01-10  4:33 dewar
2002-01-10  9:03 Bernard Dautrevaux
2002-01-10 10:40 ` David Weinehall
2002-01-10 12:18 dewar
2002-01-10 12:37 ` Erik Trulsson
2002-01-10 15:27   ` Florian Weimer
2002-01-10 19:01 Bernard Dautrevaux

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