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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Andrey Wagin <avagin@gmail.com>
Cc: Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
	Aditya Kali <adityakali@google.com>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"criu\@openvz.org" <criu@openvz.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [CRIU] [PATCH 1/3] prctl: reduce permissions to change boundaries of data, brk and stack
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:05:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vbwg7z94.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANaxB-xv_izadrMWq5xawk9k-vdADocv8X7=m69r_HK8FfJnOg@mail.gmail.com> (Andrey Wagin's message of "Sat, 15 Feb 2014 00:44:46 +0400")

Andrey Wagin <avagin@gmail.com> writes:

> 2014-02-14 23:16 GMT+04:00 Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>:
>>
>> Hmm.  Let me rewind this a little bit.
>>
>> I want to be very stupid and ask the following.
>>
>> Why can't you have the process of interest do:
>>         ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACHME);
>>         execve(executable, args, ...);
>>
>>         /* Have the ptracer inject the recovery/fixup code */
>>         /* Fix up the mostly correct process to look like it has been
>>          * executing for a while.
>>          */
>>
>> That should work, set all of the interesting fields, and works as
>> non-root today.  My gut feel says do that and we can just
>> deprecate/remove prctl_set_mm.
>
> start_brk and start_stack are randomized each time. I don't understand
> how execve() can restore the origin values of attributes.

As is the location of the vdso and there isn't a way to set that.

So perhaps what we want to do is to change the randomization with
mremap(old_addr, size, size, MREMAP_MAYMOVE | MREMAP_FIXED, new_addr)
and just have the kernel update all of the addresses in bulk when we
move the location.

I don't know what the folks who are worried about losing tampering
evidence will think but as a targeted special case it may not be at all
crazy.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-15 23:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-14 14:13 [PATCH RFC 0/3] c/r: add ability to restore mm attributes in a non-root userns Andrey Vagin
2014-02-14 14:13 ` [PATCH 1/3] prctl: reduce permissions to change boundaries of data, brk and stack Andrey Vagin
2014-02-14 16:05   ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-14 17:43     ` Andrew Vagin
2014-02-14 18:01       ` [CRIU] " Cyrill Gorcunov
2014-02-14 19:16         ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-14 19:47           ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-02-14 20:06             ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2014-02-14 20:18               ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15  6:29                 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2014-02-15 23:01                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-14 20:09             ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-17  8:34               ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-02-17  8:52                 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2014-02-17 16:57                   ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-03-07 13:51                 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-02-14 20:44           ` Andrey Wagin
2014-02-15 23:05             ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2014-02-14 14:13 ` [PATCH 2/3] capabilities: add a secure bit to allow changing a task exe link Andrey Vagin
2014-02-18  4:53   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-02-14 14:13 ` [PATCH 3/3] prctl: allow to use PR_MM_SET_* which affect only a current task Andrey Vagin

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