From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Andrey Wagin <avagin@gmail.com>
Cc: Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>,
Aditya Kali <adityakali@google.com>,
Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@parallels.com>,
Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"criu\@openvz.org" <criu@openvz.org>,
Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [CRIU] [PATCH 1/3] prctl: reduce permissions to change boundaries of data, brk and stack
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 15:05:43 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vbwg7z94.fsf@xmission.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANaxB-xv_izadrMWq5xawk9k-vdADocv8X7=m69r_HK8FfJnOg@mail.gmail.com> (Andrey Wagin's message of "Sat, 15 Feb 2014 00:44:46 +0400")
Andrey Wagin <avagin@gmail.com> writes:
> 2014-02-14 23:16 GMT+04:00 Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com>:
>>
>> Hmm. Let me rewind this a little bit.
>>
>> I want to be very stupid and ask the following.
>>
>> Why can't you have the process of interest do:
>> ptrace(PTRACE_ATTACHME);
>> execve(executable, args, ...);
>>
>> /* Have the ptracer inject the recovery/fixup code */
>> /* Fix up the mostly correct process to look like it has been
>> * executing for a while.
>> */
>>
>> That should work, set all of the interesting fields, and works as
>> non-root today. My gut feel says do that and we can just
>> deprecate/remove prctl_set_mm.
>
> start_brk and start_stack are randomized each time. I don't understand
> how execve() can restore the origin values of attributes.
As is the location of the vdso and there isn't a way to set that.
So perhaps what we want to do is to change the randomization with
mremap(old_addr, size, size, MREMAP_MAYMOVE | MREMAP_FIXED, new_addr)
and just have the kernel update all of the addresses in bulk when we
move the location.
I don't know what the folks who are worried about losing tampering
evidence will think but as a targeted special case it may not be at all
crazy.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-02-15 23:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-02-14 14:13 [PATCH RFC 0/3] c/r: add ability to restore mm attributes in a non-root userns Andrey Vagin
2014-02-14 14:13 ` [PATCH 1/3] prctl: reduce permissions to change boundaries of data, brk and stack Andrey Vagin
2014-02-14 16:05 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-14 17:43 ` Andrew Vagin
2014-02-14 18:01 ` [CRIU] " Cyrill Gorcunov
2014-02-14 19:16 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-14 19:47 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-02-14 20:06 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2014-02-14 20:18 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-15 6:29 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2014-02-15 23:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-14 20:09 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-02-17 8:34 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-02-17 8:52 ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2014-02-17 16:57 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-03-07 13:51 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2014-02-14 20:44 ` Andrey Wagin
2014-02-15 23:05 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2014-02-14 14:13 ` [PATCH 2/3] capabilities: add a secure bit to allow changing a task exe link Andrey Vagin
2014-02-18 4:53 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2014-02-14 14:13 ` [PATCH 3/3] prctl: allow to use PR_MM_SET_* which affect only a current task Andrey Vagin
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