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From: Peter Korsgaard <jacmet@sunsite.dk>
To: Robert Schwebel <r.schwebel@pengutronix.de>
Cc: Timur Tabi <timur@freescale.com>,
	devicetree-discuss <devicetree-discuss@ozlabs.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Janboe Ye <yuan-bo.ye@motorola.com>,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk, rmk@arm.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 17:41:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vdnm8sec.fsf@macbook.be.48ers.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090527150527.GK6805@pengutronix.de> (Robert Schwebel's message of "Wed\, 27 May 2009 17\:05\:27 +0200")

>>>>> "Robert" == Robert Schwebel <r.schwebel@pengutronix.de> writes:

Hi,

 Robert> - The whole concept is based on the assumption that bindings
 Robert> are defined *once*, then never to be changed again. As this
 Robert> is not true (check MPC5200 to find out what I mean), oftree
 Robert> wreckage is *the* main cause of new kernels not working on
 Robert> old bootloaders any more. Is there a solution of this
 Robert> problem? I have not seen a good idea how to avoid the
 Robert> constant change in definitions.

Just bundle the .dtb with the kernel and they'll always be in sync. I
know this isn't really in the spirit of OF, but currently imho the
only realistic solution.

I did a (nacked) patch to do this with the multi-image support in
U-Boot some time ago:

http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/589/

 Robert> - The oftree layering is fundamentally broken. We already
 Robert> have a sane abstraction for arbitrary hardware in the kernel:
 Robert> platform devices.  Why not instanciate platform devices from
 Robert> a generic oftree core?

 Robert> - Platform data makes it possible to store function
 Robert> pointers. There is no equivalent to this concept in
 Robert> oftree-land.

Yeah.

-- 
Bye, Peter Korsgaard

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-05-27 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 151+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-05-27  7:08 [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform Janboe Ye
2009-05-27 14:27 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 14:39   ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 15:05     ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 15:39       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 16:20         ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 20:35           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 23:48             ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 23:52               ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:58               ` Scott Wood
2009-05-28  0:02                 ` David Miller
2009-05-28  0:07                 ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28  0:15                   ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:37                     ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28 22:32                       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-29 12:34                         ` Mark Brown
2009-05-30  9:52                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-30 10:21                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-30 17:56                               ` Mark Brown
2009-06-02  7:57                               ` Holger Schurig
2009-06-02  9:48                                 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28  2:57                   ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  3:36                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:29                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  9:51                     ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-05-28  9:59                       ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:13                       ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 13:33                         ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:42                           ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28  9:38                   ` Wolfgang Denk
2009-05-28  3:21                 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:16               ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  0:55           ` Stephen Neuendorffer
2009-05-27 18:56         ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-27 20:46           ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:32             ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-27 15:41       ` Peter Korsgaard [this message]
2009-05-27 16:23         ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 17:56           ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:08             ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:13               ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 19:21                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-27 19:39                   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:22                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 20:19                       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:54                         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:04                           ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:58                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 23:57                       ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28  0:00                         ` David Miller
2009-05-28  3:21                         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  6:34                           ` Wolfram Sang
2009-05-28  7:55                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:34                             ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  7:48                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:22                       ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-27 20:28                     ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:31                       ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28  2:52                   ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  4:27                     ` David Miller
2009-05-28  4:47                       ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  5:31                         ` David Miller
2009-05-28  5:47                           ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:47                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 14:17                 ` Ben Dooks
2009-05-28 14:24                   ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 14:47                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 19:29               ` Russell King
2009-05-27 19:47                 ` Sergei Shtylyov
2009-05-27 19:53                 ` Scott Wood
2009-05-27 19:54                   ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 20:25                     ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:27                       ` Timur Tabi
2009-05-27 20:55                         ` David Miller
2009-05-27 23:26                           ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-27 20:35                       ` M. Warner Losh
2009-05-27 20:14                   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:23                 ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:27                   ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-27 20:48                     ` Josh Boyer
2009-05-27 20:56                     ` David Miller
2009-05-27 20:52                 ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 21:05                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  0:11                     ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 12:43                     ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 13:18                       ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-28 15:04                         ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-28 15:27                           ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-29  0:51                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  7:52                             ` Sascha Hauer
2009-05-29  9:08                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-31 10:52                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 14:31                       ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:25                   ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  8:10                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  7:38               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-27 20:43             ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  7:37             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28  9:15               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28  9:57                 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:11                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:33                     ` Robert Schwebel
2009-05-28 10:34                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 22:33                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 10:14                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 21:30                     ` David Miller
2009-05-28 12:17                   ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-28 12:48                     ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 12:55                       ` David Gibson
2009-05-28 14:13                     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 16:53                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-05-28 17:05                         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 18:46                         ` Alexander Clouter
2009-05-28 22:21                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  1:39                         ` David Gibson
2009-05-29  1:59                           ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-29  3:52                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  4:11                               ` David Miller
2009-05-29  4:11                             ` David Miller
2009-05-29  4:56                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-29  5:11                                 ` David Miller
2009-05-28 10:00                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 11:44                 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2009-05-28 12:47                 ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 14:39                   ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28 14:54                 ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 18:26           ` Peter Korsgaard
2009-05-27 16:32       ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 18:50         ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-27 22:24           ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28  0:04             ` Jon Smirl
2009-05-28 13:07               ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 20:42         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 21:38           ` Mark Brown
2009-05-28  3:02       ` David Gibson
2009-05-28  7:32       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 13:38         ` Grant Likely
2009-05-27 22:01     ` Mitch Bradley
2009-05-28  8:17       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-05-28 12:43     ` Holger Schurig
2009-05-28 13:12       ` Mark Brown
2009-05-27 17:44   ` Russell King
2009-05-27 17:52     ` Grant Likely
2009-05-28  3:44       ` David Gibson
2009-05-30 11:22 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-31  1:29   ` Kyle Moffett
2009-05-31  5:56     ` David Miller
2009-06-01  8:37     ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2009-05-31 10:08 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2009-06-01  9:24   ` Stephen Rothwell
2009-06-01 10:36   ` Janboe Ye

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