From: Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>
To: Harald Welte <HaraldWelte@viatech.com>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
lkml@morethan.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: LOCK prefix on uni processor has its use
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 20:08:27 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87vdnmmnac.fsf@basil.nowhere.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090527170118.GC4024@prithivi.gnumonks.org> (Harald Welte's message of "Wed, 27 May 2009 19:01:18 +0200")
Harald Welte <HaraldWelte@viatech.com> writes:
> * All X86 instructions except rep-strings are atomic wrt interrupts.
> * The lock prefix has uses on a UP processor: It keeps DMA devices from
> interfering with a read-modify-write sequence
In theory yes, but not in Linux -- normal drivers simply don't use LOCK in any way
on a UP kernel.
We discussed exactly this in the earlier subthread :)
> Now the question is: Is this a valid operation of a driver? Should the driver
> do such things, or is such a driver broken?
The driver is broken because if it relies on this it will not work on a UP kernel.
Also it's not portable and in general a bad idea.
> When would that occur? I'm trying
> to come up with a case, but typically you e.g. allocate some DMA buffer and
> then don't touch it until the hardware has processed it.
Is it known which driver has this problem?
-Andi (who finds hpa's "timing theory" to be more believable anyways)
--
ak@linux.intel.com -- Speaking for myself only.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2009-05-27 18:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2009-05-22 16:39 [BUG FIX] Make x86_32 uni-processor Atomic ops, Atomic Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 18:23 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-22 18:36 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-05-22 18:59 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-22 19:20 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 22:21 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 23:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-23 0:45 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-23 0:51 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-23 10:44 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-23 11:18 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-24 7:04 ` Harald Welte
2009-05-24 12:48 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-24 15:43 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 22:13 ` Roland Dreier
2009-05-27 22:33 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-23 15:52 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-23 18:04 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-23 23:44 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-24 6:49 ` Harald Welte
2009-05-24 12:38 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-24 17:31 ` Harald Welte
2009-05-27 12:18 ` Re:[VIA Support] was: " Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 12:22 ` [VIA " Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 12:47 ` Harald Welte
2009-05-27 13:00 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-29 12:06 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-30 15:48 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-24 12:27 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-24 17:22 ` Harald Welte
2009-05-24 18:00 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-24 18:32 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-24 18:46 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-24 19:09 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 19:03 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 19:18 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 19:46 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 21:10 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 21:17 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-25 23:03 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 23:35 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-26 0:05 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-26 12:37 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-26 17:13 ` H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-25 1:31 ` i2c-viapro / via-fb drivers on VIA CX700 Harald Welte
2009-05-25 12:54 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 13:36 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-25 16:05 ` [BUG FIX] Make x86_32 uni-processor Atomic ops, Atomic Michael S. Zick
2009-05-28 20:30 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-28 20:54 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-28 23:15 ` [Futex RFC] was " Michael S. Zick
2009-05-29 2:00 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 17:01 ` LOCK prefix on uni processor has its use (was Re: [BUG FIX] Make x86_32 uni-processor Atomic ops, Atomic) Harald Welte
2009-05-27 17:10 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 17:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2009-05-27 17:25 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 18:08 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2009-05-27 18:22 ` LOCK prefix on uni processor has its use Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 18:33 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 18:55 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-27 18:38 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-02 12:48 ` Harald Welte
2009-06-02 13:03 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-02 13:26 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-06-02 13:42 ` Andi Kleen
2009-06-03 11:46 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-28 2:56 ` LOCK prefix on uni processor has its use (was Re: [BUG FIX] Make x86_32 uni-processor Atomic ops, Atomic) H. Peter Anvin
2009-05-23 20:51 ` [BUG FIX] Make x86_32 uni-processor Atomic ops, Atomic Michael S. Zick
2009-05-28 12:48 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-28 13:29 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-28 20:50 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-28 20:58 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-28 21:16 ` Pavel Machek
2009-05-28 21:21 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 19:17 ` Michael S. Zick
[not found] ` <200905221343.30638.lkml@morethan.org>
[not found] ` <20090522192329.GF846@one.firstfloor.org>
2009-05-22 19:53 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 20:05 ` Samuel Thibault
2009-05-22 20:32 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 20:42 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-22 20:57 ` Michael S. Zick
2009-05-22 20:43 ` Samuel Thibault
2009-05-22 21:59 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-22 22:00 ` Samuel Thibault
2009-05-22 22:14 ` Andi Kleen
2009-05-22 22:14 ` Samuel Thibault
2009-05-22 20:45 ` Roland Dreier
2009-05-24 18:59 ` Robert Hancock
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