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From: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>
To: Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Sven Peter <sven@svenpeter.dev>,
	iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Robin Murphy <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>, Hector Martin <marcan@marcan.st>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Alexander Graf <graf@amazon.com>,
	Mohamed Mediouni <mohamed.mediouni@caramail.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Alyssa Rosenzweig <alyssa@rosenzweig.io>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 4/6] iommu: Move IOMMU pagesize check to attach_device
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:10:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wnm6bxx2.wl-maz@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6a886030-cbc6-9e92-bf79-77b659da2915@linux.intel.com>

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 03:22:30 +0100,
Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> 
> On 10/20/21 10:22 PM, Marc Zyngier wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 06:21:44 +0100,
> > Lu Baolu <baolu.lu@linux.intel.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> On 2021/10/20 0:37, Sven Peter via iommu wrote:
> >>> +	/*
> >>> +	 * Check that CPU pages can be represented by the IOVA granularity.
> >>> +	 * This has to be done after ops->attach_dev since many IOMMU drivers
> >>> +	 * only limit domain->pgsize_bitmap after having attached the first
> >>> +	 * device.
> >>> +	 */
> >>> +	ret = iommu_check_page_size(domain);
> >>> +	if (ret) {
> >>> +		__iommu_detach_device(domain, dev);
> >>> +		return ret;
> >>> +	}
> >> 
> >> It looks odd. __iommu_attach_device() attaches an I/O page table for a
> >> device. How does it relate to CPU pages? Why is it a failure case if CPU
> >> page size is not covered?
> > 
> > If you allocate a CPU PAGE_SIZE'd region, and point it at a device
> > that now can DMA to more than what you have allocated because the
> > IOMMU's own page size is larger, the device has now access to data it
> > shouldn't see. In my book, that's a pretty bad thing.
> 
> But even you enforce the CPU page size check here, this problem still
> exists unless all DMA buffers are PAGE_SIZE aligned and sized, right?

Let me take a CPU analogy: you have a page that contains some user
data *and* a kernel secret. How do you map this page into userspace
without leaking the kernel secret?

PAGE_SIZE allocations are the unit of isolation, and this applies to
both CPU and IOMMU. If you have allocated a DMA buffer that is less
than a page, you then have to resort to bounce buffering, or accept
that your data isn't safe.

	M.

-- 
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-21  8:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-19 16:37 [PATCH v3 0/6] Support IOMMU page sizes larger than the CPU page size Sven Peter
2021-10-19 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 1/6] iommu/dma: Disable get_sgtable for granule > PAGE_SIZE Sven Peter
2021-10-19 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 2/6] iommu/dma: Support granule > PAGE_SIZE in dma_map_sg Sven Peter
2021-10-19 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 3/6] iommu/dma: Support granule > PAGE_SIZE allocations Sven Peter
2021-10-19 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 4/6] iommu: Move IOMMU pagesize check to attach_device Sven Peter
2021-10-20  5:21   ` Lu Baolu
2021-10-20 14:22     ` Marc Zyngier
2021-10-21  2:22       ` Lu Baolu
2021-10-21  8:10         ` Marc Zyngier [this message]
2021-10-22  2:52           ` Lu Baolu
2021-10-22  8:06             ` Marc Zyngier
2021-10-22 13:39               ` Robin Murphy
2021-10-21  8:31     ` Sven Peter
2021-10-19 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 5/6] iommu: Introduce __IOMMU_DOMAIN_LP Sven Peter
2021-10-19 16:37 ` [PATCH v3 6/6] iommu/dart: Remove force_bypass logic Sven Peter

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