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From: Nam Cao <namcao@linutronix.de>
To: Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Tomas Glozar <tglozar@redhat.com>, Juri Lelli <jlelli@redhat.com>,
	Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
	John Kacur <jkacur@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 10/20] rv: Add Hybrid Automata monitor type
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2025 15:43:43 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y0p5sn74.fsf@yellow.woof> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0c61c0bbbdc2002efb638dccda1f0a18c51d29df.camel@redhat.com>

Gabriele Monaco <gmonaco@redhat.com> writes:
> Alright, that /should/ be possible, provided the value used to set invariants is
> constant or at least doesn't change until we leave the state.
> This seems a fair assumption to make but doesn't stand for the throttle monitor,
> in that case I read the remaining runtime from the dl entity, that one is
> updated frequently, for instance when a task is throttled, it's negative, but
> this doesn't mean the invariant should expect time to be negative.
>
> Runtime is consumed only when a task is running, so here I use an invariant set
> up on the /remaining/ runtime when reaching the running state, that's why also
> switch_in resets the clock (runtime is not replenished, but the runtime_left
> value doesn't need to be subtracted anything).
>
> An alternative would be to have some sort of pause/resume operations on clocks,
> and a task would just pause the clock when preempted, but those operations are
> not backed up by theory and wouldn't really simplify the implementation (use 2
> variables per clock or a single one and some hack to mark it as paused).
>
> Again, there may be better ways, but I found this one the "simplest".
>
> Does it makes sense or am I just crystallising to this implementation?

Ok, now it makes sense.

I have been thinking about this in the past days, and didn't come up
with anything better. Let's leave it be.

Nam

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-20 13:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-19 14:09 [PATCH v2 00/20] rv: Add Hybrid Automata monitor type, per-object and deadline monitors Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 01/20] rv: Refactor da_monitor to minimise macros Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-02  8:45   ` Nam Cao
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 02/20] rv: Cleanup da_monitor after refactor Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-02  8:49   ` Nam Cao
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 03/20] rv: Unify DA event handling functions across monitor types Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-02  9:14   ` Nam Cao
2025-10-02 11:30     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 04/20] Documentation/rv: Adapt documentation after da_monitor refactoring Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-02  9:26   ` Nam Cao
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 05/20] verification/rvgen: Adapt dot2k and templates after refactoring da_monitor.h Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-02  9:34   ` Nam Cao
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 06/20] verification/rvgen: Annotate DA functions with types Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-02  9:39   ` Nam Cao
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 07/20] verification/dot2c: Remove __buff_to_string() and cleanup Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 08/20] verification/dot2c: Remove superfluous enum assignment and add last comma Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-02  9:40   ` Nam Cao
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 09/20] verification/rvgen: Remove unused variable declaration from containers Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 10/20] rv: Add Hybrid Automata monitor type Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-17  8:44   ` Nam Cao
2025-10-17  9:48     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-17 13:05       ` Nam Cao
2025-10-17 15:22         ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-20 13:43           ` Nam Cao [this message]
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 11/20] verification/rvgen: Allow spaces in and events strings Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-02 11:03   ` Nam Cao
2025-10-02 11:17     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-06 13:20       ` Nam Cao
2025-10-06 15:22         ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 12/20] verification/rvgen: Add support for Hybrid Automata Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-17  9:37   ` Nam Cao
2025-10-17  9:53     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 13/20] Documentation/rv: Add documentation about hybrid automata Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-10 13:46   ` Nam Cao
2025-10-13  8:33     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 14/20] rv: Add sample hybrid monitors stall Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-10 14:23   ` Nam Cao
2025-10-13  9:01     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 15/20] rv: Convert the opid monitor to a hybrid automaton Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-10 14:29   ` Nam Cao
2025-10-13 14:14     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 16/20] sched: Export hidden tracepoints to modules Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-19 15:37   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-09-19 17:07     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 17/20] sched: Add deadline tracepoints Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 18/20] rv: Add support for per-object monitors in DA/HA Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-21 11:55   ` Nam Cao
2025-10-21 15:54     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-23 12:36       ` Nam Cao
2025-10-24  9:20         ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 19/20] verification/rvgen: Add support for per-obj monitors Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-21 12:00   ` Nam Cao
2025-09-19 14:09 ` [PATCH v2 20/20] rv: Add deadline monitors Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-10 15:04   ` Nam Cao
2025-10-13  7:30     ` Gabriele Monaco
2025-10-21 12:05 ` [PATCH v2 00/20] rv: Add Hybrid Automata monitor type, per-object and " Nam Cao
2025-10-21 15:45   ` Gabriele Monaco

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