From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH printk v4 06/27] printk: nbcon: Add callbacks to synchronize with driver
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 17:07:39 +0206 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y19djqr0.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZhUIatzxietD4F-m@localhost.localdomain>
On 2024-04-09, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
>> Console drivers typically must deal with access to the hardware
>> via user input/output (such as an interactive login shell) and
>> output of kernel messages via printk() calls.
>>
>> Follow-up commits require that the printk subsystem is able to
>> synchronize with the driver. Require nbcon consoles to implement
>> two new callbacks (device_lock(), device_unlock()) that will
>> use whatever synchronization mechanism the driver is using for
>> itself (for example, the port lock for uart serial consoles).
>
> We should explain here the bigger picture, see my comment
> of the word "whenever" below.
>
> <proposal>
> Console drivers typically have to deal with access to the hardware
> via user input/output (such as an interactive login shell) and
> output of kernel messages via printk() calls.
>
> They use some classic locking mechanism in most situations. But
> console->write_atomic() callbacks, used by nbcon consoles,
> must be synchronized only by acquiring the console context.
>
> The synchronization via the console context ownership is possible
> only when the console driver is registered. It is when a particular
> device driver is connected with a particular console driver.
>
> The two synchronization mechanisms must be synchronized between
> each other. It is tricky because the console context ownership
> is quite special. It might be taken over by a higher priority
> context. Also CPU migration has to be disabled.
>
> The most tricky part is to (dis)connect these two mechanism during
> the console (un)registration. Let's make it easier by adding two new
> callbacks: device_lock(), device_unlock(). They would allow
> to take the device-specific lock while the device is being
> (un)registered by the related console driver.
>
> For example, these callbacks would lock/unlock the port lock
> for serial port drivers.
> </proposal>
I do not like this proposal. IMHO it is focussing only on nbcon
registration details (a corner case) rather than presenting the big
picture.
Yes, we will use these callbacks during registration/unregistration to
avoid some races, but that is just one usage (and not the primary
one). The main reason these callbacks exist is to provide driver
synchronization when printing.
We want to avoid using nbcon console ownership contention whenever
possible. In fact, there should _never_ be nbcon console owership
contention except for in emergency or panic situations.
In the normal case, printk will use the driver-specific locking for
synchronization. Previously this was achieved by implementing the
lock/unlock within the write() callback. But with nbcon consoles that is
not possible because the nbcon ownership must be taken outside of the
write callback:
con->device_lock()
nbcon_acquire()
con->write_atomic() or con->write_thread()
nbcon_release()
con->device_unlock()
How about this for the commit message:
printk: nbcon: Add callbacks to synchronize with driver
Console drivers typically must deal with access to the hardware
via user input/output (such as an interactive login shell) and
output of kernel messages via printk() calls. To provide the
necessary synchronization, usually some driver-specific locking
mechanism is used (for example, the port spinlock for uart
serial consoles).
Until now, usage of this driver-specific locking has been hidden
from the printk-subsystem and implemented within the various
console callbacks. However, for nbcon consoles, it is necessary
that the printk-subsystem uses the driver-specific locking so
that nbcon console ownership can be acquired _after_ the
driver-specific locking has succeeded. This allows for lock
contention to exist on the more context-friendly driver-specific
locking rather than nbcon console ownership (for non-emergency
and non-panic cases).
Require nbcon consoles to implement two new callbacks
(device_lock(), device_unlock()) that will use whatever
synchronization mechanism the driver is using for itself.
John
P.S. I think it makes more sense to use your proposal for the commit
message of the follow-up patch "printk: nbcon: Use driver
synchronization while registering".
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-04-16 15:01 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-04-02 22:11 [PATCH printk v4 00/27] wire up write_atomic() printing John Ogness
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 01/27] printk: Add notation to console_srcu locking John Ogness
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 02/27] printk: Properly deal with nbcon consoles on seq init John Ogness
2024-04-05 15:37 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 03/27] printk: nbcon: Remove return value for write_atomic() John Ogness
2024-04-08 13:17 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 04/27] printk: Check printk_deferred_enter()/_exit() usage John Ogness
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 05/27] printk: nbcon: Add detailed doc for write_atomic() John Ogness
2024-04-08 15:20 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 06/27] printk: nbcon: Add callbacks to synchronize with driver John Ogness
2024-04-09 9:20 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-16 15:01 ` John Ogness [this message]
2024-04-17 13:03 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-17 14:54 ` John Ogness
2024-04-18 10:33 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-18 12:10 ` John Ogness
2024-04-18 15:03 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 07/27] printk: nbcon: Use driver synchronization while registering John Ogness
2024-04-09 9:46 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 08/27] serial: core: Provide low-level functions to lock port John Ogness
2024-04-09 12:00 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-09 13:23 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 09/27] printk: nbcon: Implement processing in port->lock wrapper John Ogness
2024-04-03 11:35 ` John Ogness
2024-04-10 12:35 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 10/27] printk: nbcon: Do not rely on proxy headers John Ogness
2024-04-03 10:33 ` Andy Shevchenko
2024-04-10 13:06 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 11/27] printk: nbcon: Fix kerneldoc for enums John Ogness
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 12/27] printk: Make console_is_usable() available to nbcon John Ogness
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 13/27] printk: Let console_is_usable() handle nbcon John Ogness
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 14/27] printk: Add @flags argument for console_is_usable() John Ogness
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 15/27] printk: nbcon: Provide function to flush using write_atomic() John Ogness
2024-04-10 14:56 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 16/27] printk: Track registered boot consoles John Ogness
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 17/27] printk: nbcon: Use nbcon consoles in console_flush_all() John Ogness
2024-04-11 14:14 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-11 15:32 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-17 23:05 ` John Ogness
2024-04-18 12:47 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-18 21:45 ` John Ogness
2024-04-19 9:55 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-12 9:07 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-17 21:59 ` John Ogness
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 18/27] printk: nbcon: Assign priority based on CPU state John Ogness
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 19/27] printk: nbcon: Add unsafe flushing on panic John Ogness
2024-04-11 14:18 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 20/27] printk: Avoid console_lock dance if no legacy or boot consoles John Ogness
2024-04-03 10:01 ` John Ogness
2024-04-12 14:21 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 21/27] printk: Track nbcon consoles John Ogness
2024-04-12 14:22 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 22/27] printk: Coordinate direct printing in panic John Ogness
2024-04-12 14:39 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 23/27] printk: nbcon: Implement emergency sections John Ogness
2024-04-12 15:27 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 24/27] panic: Mark emergency section in warn John Ogness
2024-04-15 13:16 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 25/27] panic: Mark emergency section in oops John Ogness
2024-04-15 13:22 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 26/27] rcu: Mark emergency section in rcu stalls John Ogness
2024-04-15 13:32 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-02 22:11 ` [PATCH printk v4 27/27] lockdep: Mark emergency sections in lockdep splats John Ogness
2024-04-16 9:51 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-16 11:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-04-16 12:53 ` John Ogness
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