From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Stephan Mueller <stephan.mueller@atsec.com>
Cc: Kyle McMartin <kyle@redhat.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
jstancek@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] MODSIGN: flag modules that use cryptoapi and only panic if those are unsigned
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2013 10:04:58 +1030 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y5f5km3h.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <51027D9D.6030507@atsec.com>
Stephan Mueller <stephan.mueller@atsec.com> writes:
> On 25.01.2013 00:36:01, +0100, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au> wrote:
>> "the module signature" here being the signature of any crypto module,
>> I'm guessing from Kyle's awful patch. Any crypto module, or just some?
>> Presumably any module used by any crypto module, too?
>
> Any module loading into the kernel crypto API must be caught and its
> signature enforced. Thus Kyle's approach to catch the kernel crypto API
> register function would be appropriate, if indeed we would catch all
> crypto KOs that we want to catch -- see my remark to Kyle.
OK, so perhaps in fips mode we should fail the various crypto register
calls if the kernel is tainted?
> But that is not the focus of the FIPS test here. That test shall counter
> accidental modifications (how unlikely they are). And I am fully aware
> of the fact that this FIPS requirement does not make too much sense in
> software implementations. Note, FIPS 140-2 mainly focuses on hardware
> and has some requirements which are totally bogus for software -- this
> is one of them.
>
> Well, but if we want to be FIPS 140-2 compliant, either we meet that
> requirement, or, well, you are not compliant. It is that easy. :-)
Two important principles here:
1) Ugliness and craziness must be contained in the subsystem which cares.
2) Minimize effort spent on craziness.
Principle #1 means I want this in the crypto subsystem, not the module
subsystem.
Cheers,
Rusty.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-02-04 2:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-01-22 18:43 [PATCH] MODSIGN: only panic in fips mode if sig_enforce is set Kyle McMartin
2013-01-22 23:17 ` Rusty Russell
2013-01-23 11:26 ` David Howells
2013-01-23 15:18 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-01-24 14:59 ` Kyle McMartin
2013-01-25 11:28 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-01-24 19:06 ` [PATCH] MODSIGN: flag modules that use cryptoapi and only panic if those are unsigned Kyle McMartin
2013-01-24 19:21 ` Kyle McMartin
2013-01-24 23:36 ` Rusty Russell
2013-01-25 5:45 ` Kyle McMartin
2013-01-25 12:42 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-02-03 23:34 ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2013-01-25 12:46 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-01-25 0:14 ` David Howells
2013-01-25 3:20 ` Matthew Garrett
2013-01-25 12:23 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-01-25 12:18 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-02-05 22:58 ` [RFC PATCH] fips: check whether a module registering an alg or template is signed Kyle McMartin
2013-02-06 8:02 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-02-06 16:15 ` Kyle McMartin
2013-02-06 17:45 ` Stephan Mueller
2013-02-06 18:18 ` Kyle McMartin
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