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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Prakash Sangappa <prakash.sangappa@oracle.com>,
	Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch V3 02/12] rseq: Add fields and constants for time slice extension
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2025 23:53:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zf95weix.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bjlmss8j.ffs@tglx>

On Fri, Oct 31 2025 at 21:58, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 31 2025 at 15:31, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> That said I'm not completely against making this per process, but then
> it has to be enabled on the main thread _before_ it spawns threads and
> rejected otherwise.

It's actually not so trivial because contrary to CID, which is per MM
this is per process and as a newly created thread must register RSEQ
memory first there needs to be some 'inherited enablement on thread
creation' marker which then needs to be taken into account when the new
thread registers its RSEQ memory with the kernel.

And no, we are not going to make this unconditionally enabled when RSEQ
is registered. That's just wrong as that 'oh so tiny overhead' of user
space access accumulates nicely in high frequency scheduling scenarios
as you can see from the numbers provided with the rseq and cid cleanups.

So while it's doable the real question is whether this is worth the
trouble and extra state handling all over the place. I doubt it is and
keeping the kernel simple is definitely not the wrong approach.

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-01 22:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-29 13:22 [patch V3 00/12] rseq: Implement time slice extension mechanism Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 01/12] sched: Provide and use set_need_resched_current() Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 02/12] rseq: Add fields and constants for time slice extension Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-30 22:01   ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-10-31 14:32     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 19:31   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-31 20:58     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-01 22:53       ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2025-11-03 17:00       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-03 19:19         ` Florian Weimer
2025-11-04  0:20   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 03/12] rseq: Provide static branch for time slice extensions Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 17:23   ` Randy Dunlap
2025-10-29 21:12     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 19:34   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 04/12] rseq: Add statistics " Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 19:36   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 05/12] rseq: Add prctl() to enable " Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 19:43   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-31 21:05     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 06/12] rseq: Implement sys_rseq_slice_yield() Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 19:46   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-31 21:07     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-03 17:07       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 07/12] rseq: Implement syscall entry work for time slice extensions Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 19:53   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-19  0:20   ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-19 15:25     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-20  7:37       ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-20 11:31         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-21  0:12           ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-26 22:02             ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-21  9:28           ` david laight
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 08/12] rseq: Implement time slice extension enforcement timer Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 18:45   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-29 21:37     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 23:53       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-31 19:59   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 09/12] rseq: Reset slice extension when scheduled Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 20:03   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 10/12] rseq: Implement rseq_grant_slice_extension() Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 20:08   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-29 21:46     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 22:04       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-31 14:33         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 11/12] entry: Hook up rseq time slice extension Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 12/12] selftests/rseq: Implement time slice extension test Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 15:10 ` [patch V3 00/12] rseq: Implement time slice extension mechanism Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-29 15:40   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-29 21:49     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-06 17:28 ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-10 14:23   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-10 17:05     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-11 16:42     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-12  6:30       ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-12 20:40         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-12 21:57         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-12 23:17           ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-13  2:34             ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-13 14:38               ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-12 20:31       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-12 20:46         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-12 21:54           ` Thomas Gleixner

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