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From: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>
To: paulmck@kernel.org
Cc: Ankur Arora <ankur.a.arora@oracle.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
	mingo@kernel.org, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	vschneid@redhat.com, frederic@kernel.org, efault@gmx.de
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/7] rcu: limit PREEMPT_RCU configurations
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2024 12:18:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zfn1jk43.fsf@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0c04a986-91d0-4f6d-bd4e-ca00d1cd710a@paulmck-laptop>


Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org> writes:

> On Thu, Oct 17, 2024 at 03:50:46PM -0700, Ankur Arora wrote:
>> Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de> writes:
>> > On 2024-10-15 15:13:46 [-0700], Ankur Arora wrote:
>> >> Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de> writes:
>> >>
[ ... ]
>> Sure. But, that's just begging the question.
>>
>> We want _NONE and _VOLUNTARY to go away because keeping cond_resched()
>> around incurs a cost.
>
> When you say "go away", do you mean for your use cases?  Or globally?

When I say "want _ to go away" I mean: cond_resched() is deleterious
to performance since you are forced to have code which can do the
rescheduling check synchronously -- when this could easily be done
asynchronously (as the non voluntary models do).

And this either means poor performance (ex. in the page zeroing code
where it would be more optimal to work on continguous ranges) or
gyrations like the ones that xen_pv_evtchn_do_upcall() and the
Xen hypervisor have to go through.

And, as we've discussed before, the cond_resched() interface, while it
works, is not ideal.

Also, a man can dream!

--
ankur

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-18 19:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-09 16:54 [PATCH 0/7] Lazy preemption bits Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 1/7] sched: warn for high latency with TIF_NEED_RESCHED_LAZY Ankur Arora
2024-10-10  6:37   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 18:19     ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-13  9:44   ` kernel test robot
2024-10-13  9:54   ` kernel test robot
2024-10-16  9:36   ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-10-21 19:21     ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-22  5:41       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 2/7] rcu: limit PREEMPT_RCU configurations Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 18:01   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-09 18:24     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-09 20:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-09 21:16         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-10  7:58           ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-10 14:19             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-10  6:32       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10  8:10         ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-10  9:13           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 10:03             ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-10 10:26               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 10:44                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-10 14:29                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-11  8:18                     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-11 13:59                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-11 14:43                         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-11 15:59                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-15 11:22                             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-15 22:13                               ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-17  8:04                                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-17 22:50                                   ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-18 17:43                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-18 19:18                                       ` Ankur Arora [this message]
2024-10-18 23:24                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-19  1:07                                           ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-19  4:30                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-15 23:11                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-17  7:07                                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-18 17:38                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-21 11:27                                     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-21 16:48                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-21 19:20                                         ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-22 23:49                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-22 14:09                                         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-22 23:54                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-23  6:58                                             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 17:35             ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-11  7:58               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-15 23:01                 ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-10 17:42           ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 3/7] rcu: fix header guard for rcu_all_qs() Ankur Arora
2024-10-10  6:41   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10  8:11     ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-10 14:29       ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 4/7] rcu: handle quiescent states for PREEMPT_RCU=n, PREEMPT_COUNT=y Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 19:05   ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-10 14:37     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-10 17:59       ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-10  6:50   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 17:56     ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-11  7:52       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 5/7] rcu: rename PREEMPT_AUTO to PREEMPT_LAZY Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 18:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-10-09 18:52     ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 6/7] osnoise: handle quiescent states for PREEMPT_RCU=n, PREEMPTION=y Ankur Arora
2024-10-10  6:53   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 14:39     ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-10-10 17:50     ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-11  7:36       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-14 20:14         ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-09 16:54 ` [PATCH 7/7] powerpc: add support for PREEMPT_LAZY Ankur Arora
2024-10-10  7:22   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-10-10 18:10     ` Ankur Arora
2024-10-11 18:35       ` Shrikanth Hegde
2024-10-12 22:42         ` Michael Ellerman

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