From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: Fenghua Yu <fenghua.yu@intel.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
H Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>,
Suresh B Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
Asit K Mallick <asit.k.mallick@intel.com>,
Arjan Dan De Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, x86 <x86@kernel.org>,
linux-pm <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>,
"Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] x86/cpu hotplug: Wake up offline CPU via mwait or nmi
Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2012 10:10:33 +0930 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zk8iioam.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1338842001.28282.135.camel@twins>
On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 22:33:21 +0200, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 2012-06-04 at 22:11 +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
>
> > I understand what you are trying to do, though I completely disagree
> > with the solution.
> >
> > The main problem of the current hotplug code is that it is an all or
> > nothing approach. You have to tear down the whole thing completely
> > instead of just taking it out of the usable set of cpus.
> >
> > I'm working on a proper state machine driven online/offline sequence,
> > where you can put the cpu into an intermediate state which avoids
> > bringing it down completely. This is enough to get the full
> > powersaving benefits w/o having to go through all the synchronization
> > states of a full online/offline. That will shorten the onlining time
> > of an previously offlined cpu to almost nothing.
> >
> > I really want to avoid adding more bandaids to the hotplug code before
> > we have sorted out the existing horror.
>
> Its far worse.. you shouldn't _ever_ care about hotplug latency unless
> you've got absolutely braindead hardware. We all now ARM has been
> particularly creative here, but is Intel now trying to trump ARM at
> stupid?
I disagree. Deactivating a cpu for power saving is halfway to hotplug
anyway. I'd rather unify the two cases, where we can specify how dead a
CPU should be, than have individual archs and boards do random hacks.
It also gives us a great excuse to audit and neaten various of the
hotplug cpu callbacks; most of the ones I've looked at have been racy :(
The ones which simply want to keep per-cpu stats can be given a nice
helper with two simple callbacks: one to empty stats for a going-away
cpu, and (maybe) one to restore them.
The per-cpu kthreads should no longer get torn down and recreated, and
doing it via a separate notifier function is ugly and error-prone. My
plan is a "bool kthread_cpu_going(void)" and then a "void
kthread_cpu_can_go(void)", so kthreads can do:
if (kthread_cpu_going()) {
/* Do any cleanup we need. */
...
/* This returns when CPU comes back. */
kthread_cpu_can_go();
}
Yeah, we should probably have the kthread exit inside
kthread_cpu_can_go() if they stop the kthread, but that's a detail.
Cheers,
Rusty.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-06-05 1:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-06-04 18:17 [PATCH 0/6] x86/cpu hotplug: Wake up offline CPU via mwait or nmi Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:17 ` [PATCH 1/6] x86/Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt: Add wakeup_cpu_via_init kernel parameter help Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:17 ` [PATCH 2/6] x86/head_32.S/head_64.S: Kernel entry code after waking up offline CPU via mwait or nmi Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:17 ` [PATCH 3/6] x86/smpboot.c: Wake " Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:58 ` Suresh Siddha
2012-06-04 19:35 ` Yu, Fenghua
2012-06-04 18:17 ` [PATCH 4/6] x86/apic_flat_64.c: Wakeup function in apic calls mwait or nmi method Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:17 ` [PATCH 5/6] x86/x2apic_cluster.c: Wakeup function in x2apic_cluster " Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:17 ` [PATCH 6/6] x86/x2apic_phys.c: Wakeup function in x2apic_phys " Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 18:17 ` Fenghua Yu
2012-06-04 20:11 ` [PATCH 0/6] x86/cpu hotplug: Wake up offline CPU via mwait or nmi Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-04 20:18 ` Luck, Tony
2012-06-04 22:52 ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-04 20:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 0:40 ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2012-06-05 1:23 ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-06-05 7:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 14:17 ` Alan Stern
2012-06-05 15:27 ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-06-05 7:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 16:02 ` Yu, Fenghua
2012-06-05 16:09 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 16:18 ` Yu, Fenghua
2012-06-05 16:19 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 17:44 ` Luck, Tony
2012-06-05 17:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 19:43 ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-05 19:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 19:49 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 19:51 ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-06-05 19:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 20:47 ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-05 21:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 22:09 ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-06 8:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 8:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 8:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 22:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-06 8:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 8:42 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 14:44 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-06 15:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 23:20 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-08 9:20 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 8:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 14:41 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-06 15:23 ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-06-06 15:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 15:49 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-06 16:59 ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-06-05 21:29 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-05 21:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 22:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-06 12:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-06 14:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2012-06-05 19:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 20:58 ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-05 21:15 ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-05 21:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-05 23:13 ` Andi Kleen
2012-06-06 1:52 ` Arjan van de Ven
2012-06-05 18:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 19:54 ` Luck, Tony
2012-06-05 19:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 9:36 ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-05 13:41 ` [PATCH] kthread: Implement park/unpark facility Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-05 14:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-05 14:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2012-06-07 0:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2012-06-10 5:40 ` Rusty Russell
2012-06-11 9:26 ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-12 0:23 ` Rusty Russell
2012-06-05 15:35 ` [PATCH 0/6] x86/cpu hotplug: Wake up offline CPU via mwait or nmi Jiang Liu
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