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From: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
To: Howard Chu <hyc@symas.com>
Cc: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 15:20:57 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zmranm4m.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <43095E10.3010003@symas.com> (Howard Chu's message of "Sun, 21 Aug 2005 22:09:36 -0700")

* Howard Chu:

>>> Has anybody contacted the Sleepycat people with a description of
>>> the problem yet?

>> Berkeley DB does not call sched_yield, but OpenLDAP does in some
>> wrapper code around the Berkeley DB backend.

> That's not the complete story. BerkeleyDB provides a 
> db_env_set_func_yield() hook to tell it what yield function it should 
> use when its internal locking routines need such a function. If you 
> don't set a specific hook, it just uses sleep(). The OpenLDAP backend 
> will invoke this hook during some (not necessarily all) init sequences, 
> to tell it to use the thread yield function that we selected in autoconf.

And this helps to increase performance substantially?

> Note that (on systems that support inter-process mutexes) a BerkeleyDB 
> database environment may be used by multiple processes concurrently.

Yes, I know this, and I haven't experienced that much trouble with
deadlocks.  Maybe the way you structure and access the database
environment can be optimized for deadlock avoidance?

> As such, the yield function that is provided must work both for
> threads within a single process (PTHREAD_SCOPE_PROCESS) as well as
> between processes (PTHREAD_SCOPE_SYSTEM).

If I understand you correctly, what you really need is a syscall along
the lines "don't run me again until all threads T that share property
X have run, where the Ts aren't necessarily in the same process".  The
kernel is psychic, it can't really know which processes to schedule to
satisfy such a requirement.  I don't even think "has joined the
Berkeley DB environment" is the desired property, but something like
"is part of this cycle in the wait-for graph" or something similar.

I would have to check the Berkeley DB internals in order to tell what
is feasible to implement.  This code shouldn't be on the fast path, so
some kernel-based synchronization is probably sufficient.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-08-22 21:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <43057641.70700@symas.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <17157.45712.877795.437505@gargle.gargle.HOWL.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <430666DB.70802@symas.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-08-20 13:48     ` sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow Andi Kleen
2005-08-21 19:47       ` Florian Weimer
2005-08-22  5:09         ` Howard Chu
2005-08-22 13:06           ` Andi Kleen
2005-08-22 18:47             ` Howard Chu
2005-08-22 13:20           ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2005-08-22 23:19             ` Howard Chu
2006-01-24 22:59 e100 oops on resume Stefan Seyfried
2006-01-24 23:21 ` Mattia Dongili
2006-01-25  9:02   ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-25 12:11     ` Olaf Kirch
2006-01-25 13:51       ` sched_yield() makes OpenLDAP slow Howard Chu
2006-01-25 14:38         ` Robert Hancock
2006-01-25 17:49         ` Christopher Friesen
2006-01-26  1:07         ` David Schwartz
2006-01-26  8:30           ` Helge Hafting
2006-01-26  9:01             ` Nick Piggin
2006-01-26 10:50             ` Nikita Danilov
     [not found] <5uZqb-4fo-15@gated-at.bofh.it>
2006-01-14 22:47 ` Robert Hancock
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2006-01-14 19:29 Howard Chu
     [not found] <4D8eT-4rg-31@gated-at.bofh.it>
2005-08-20  3:20 ` Robert Hancock
2005-08-20  4:18   ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-20 18:38     ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 20:57       ` Lee Revell
2005-08-20 21:24         ` Howard Chu
2005-08-21  0:36           ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-21 11:33           ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-22  8:06             ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 21:50       ` Lee Revell
2005-08-21  1:04       ` Robert Hancock
2005-08-22 11:44         ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-08-22 14:26           ` Robert Hancock
2005-08-23 11:17             ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2005-08-23 12:07               ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-08-24  3:37                 ` Lincoln Dale
2005-08-19  6:03 Howard Chu
2005-08-19  6:34 ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-19  6:59 ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-08-19 22:45   ` Howard Chu
2005-08-19 10:21 ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-19 23:10   ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 13:23     ` Nikita Danilov
2005-08-20 19:49       ` Howard Chu
2005-08-20 22:08         ` Nikita Danilov
     [not found] <4303DB48.8010902@develer.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <20050818010703.GA13127@nineveh.rivenstone.net.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]   ` <4303F967.6000404@yahoo.com.au.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]     ` <43054D9A.7090509@develer.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-08-19  3:19       ` Andi Kleen
2005-08-19  3:30         ` Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18  0:50 Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18  0:47 ` Con Kolivas
2005-08-18 10:48   ` Maciej Soltysiak
2005-08-18  1:07 ` Joseph Fannin
2005-08-18  2:25   ` Bernardo Innocenti
2005-08-18  2:58   ` Nick Piggin
2005-08-19  3:10     ` Bernardo Innocenti

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