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From: kaih@khms.westfalen.de (Kai Henningsen)
To: torvalds@transmeta.com
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no
Date: 14 Oct 2001 14:57:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8Asil-B1w-B@khms.westfalen.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110130956350.8707-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110130956350.8707-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>

torvalds@transmeta.com (Linus Torvalds)  wrote on 13.10.01 in <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110130956350.8707-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>:

> Now, somebody who _isn't_ stupid (and that, of course, is me), immediately
> goes "well, _duh_, why don't you speed up read() instead?".

Probably because people think that's hard ... so they invent another thing  
that's even harder.

> The fact is, all the problems that "MAP_COPY" has just go away if you
> instead of thinking about a mmap(), you think about doing a "read()" and
> just marking the pages PAGE_COPY if they are exclusive.

That's part of the problem. The other is the idea that mmap only needs to  
read those pages actually needed.

Hmm.

Would it be possible - and cheap enough - to do this optimization:

When read()ing a file, *if* nobody else has that inode open (which is  
probably impossible to determine with networked filesystems, so one would  
probably have to exclude those), create mmap-like mappings where possible  
without actually reading the pages; at the moment someone else opens the  
file, actually read them in and mark them PAGE_COPY.

Or maybe just do it exclusive of writers, not readers.

(I don't think waiting for actual writes would be sensible.)

MfG Kai

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-10-14 16:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-10-03 12:49 Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Jesse Pollard
2001-10-03 18:06 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-03 23:20   ` Rob Landley
2001-10-04  3:38     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04  4:19       ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04  6:15         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04  8:21           ` CaT
2001-10-04  8:35             ` john slee
2001-10-04  8:45               ` CaT
2001-10-04 13:11             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 14:24               ` Kernel size Richard B. Johnson
2001-10-13 20:35                 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-04  8:30           ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Ville Herva
2001-10-04  9:46             ` Erik Andersen
2001-10-04 19:50               ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-04  8:53           ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Andreas Schwab
2001-10-04 13:23             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04  9:12           ` Bloatware (was Re: Security question: "Text file busy"...) VDA
2001-10-04  5:38     ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04  5:44       ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04  5:49         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04 15:01           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-04 15:49             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-04 16:02               ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 16:20                 ` Andreas Schwab
2001-10-04 17:19                   ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 16:11               ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04 19:28                 ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but no Kai Henningsen
2001-10-04 17:25               ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-13 14:53                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 17:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 18:18                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-10-13 18:40                     ` Pablo Alcaraz
2001-10-13 19:05                       ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 18:54                     ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 19:23                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-13 19:46                         ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 21:43                           ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-13 22:27                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-13 22:50                               ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-10-15 11:24                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 22:19                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14  6:49                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14  8:17                               ` Xavier Bestel
2001-10-14 15:40                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14 18:49                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-15 11:43                             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 22:41                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-15 11:35                             ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-15 11:51                               ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-15 12:29                                 ` Jamie Lokier
2001-10-13 22:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-14 12:57                     ` Kai Henningsen [this message]
2001-10-14 21:43                     ` Mark H. Wood
2001-10-04  5:53         ` Richard Gooch
2001-10-04 20:39         ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but Alan Cox
2001-10-05 16:30           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-05 16:58             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05 17:35               ` Horst von Brand
2001-10-05 17:44                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-05 18:51                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-10-06 19:05                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14  8:02               ` [RFC] "Text file busy" when overwriting libraries Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-14 12:08                 ` Alan Cox
2001-10-14 20:48                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-15  1:44                     ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15  2:06                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-10-15 10:11                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-10-15 11:54                           ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15 11:57                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-15 12:08                               ` Alan Cox
2001-10-15 12:11                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-10-04  6:50       ` Security question: "Text file busy" overwriting executables but not shared libraries? George Greer
2001-10-04 12:54       ` John Levon

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