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From: Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>,
	Janosch Frank <frankja@linux.ibm.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
	Vitaly Kuznetsov <vkuznets@redhat.com>,
	Wanpeng Li <wanpengli@tencent.com>,
	Jim Mattson <jmattson@google.com>, Joerg Roedel <joro@8bytes.org>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Maxim Levitsky <mlevitsk@redhat.com>,
	Ben Gardon <bgardon@google.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] KVM: x86: Retry page fault if MMU reload is pending and root has no sp
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 17:13:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ab8833f-2a89-71ff-98da-2cfbb251736f@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YbN58FS67bEBOZZu@google.com>

On 12/10/21 17:01, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>> KVM_REQ_MMU_RELOAD is raised after kvm->arch.mmu_valid_gen is fixed (of
>> course, otherwise the other CPU might just not see any obsoleted page
>> from the legacy MMU), therefore any check on KVM_REQ_MMU_RELOAD is just
>> advisory.
> 
> I disagree.  IMO, KVM should not be installing SPTEs into obsolete shadow pages,
> which is what continuing on allows.  I don't _think_ it's problematic, but I do
> think it's wrong.
>
> [...] Eh, for all intents and purposes, KVM_REQ_MMU_RELOAD very much says
> special roots are obsolete.  The root will be unloaded, i.e. will no
> longer be used, i.e. is obsolete.

I understand that---but it takes some unspoken details to understand 
that.  In particular that both kvm_reload_remote_mmus and 
is_page_fault_stale are called under mmu_lock write-lock, and that 
there's no unlock between updating mmu_valid_gen and calling 
kvm_reload_remote_mmus.

(This also suggests, for the other six patches, keeping 
kvm_reload_remote_mmus and just moving it to arch/x86/kvm/mmu/mmu.c, 
with an assertion that the MMU lock is held for write).

But since we have a way forward for having no special roots to worry 
about, it seems an unnecessary overload for 1) a patch that will last 
one or two releasees at most 2) a case that has been handled in the 
inefficient way forever.

Paolo

> The other way to check for an invalid special root would be to treat
> it as obsolete if any of its children in entries 0-3 are present and
> obsolete.  That would be more precise, but it provides no benefit
> given KVM's current implementation.
> 
> I'm not completely opposed to doing nothing, but I do think it's
> silly to continue on knowing that the work done by the page fault is
> all but gauranteed to be useless.
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-10 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-09  6:05 [PATCH 0/7] KVM: x86/mmu: Obsolete root shadow page fix Sean Christopherson
2021-12-09  6:05 ` [PATCH 1/7] KVM: x86: Retry page fault if MMU reload is pending and root has no sp Sean Christopherson
2021-12-09 11:19   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-10 12:41   ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-10 16:01     ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-10 16:13       ` Paolo Bonzini [this message]
2021-12-10 17:15         ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-15 18:53           ` Sean Christopherson
2021-12-19 18:41             ` Paolo Bonzini
2021-12-09  6:05 ` [PATCH 2/7] KVM: x86: Invoke kvm_mmu_unload() directly on CR4.PCIDE change Sean Christopherson
2021-12-09  6:05 ` [PATCH 3/7] KVM: Drop kvm_reload_remote_mmus(), open code request in x86 users Sean Christopherson
2021-12-09  6:05 ` [PATCH 4/7] KVM: x86/mmu: Zap only obsolete roots if a root shadow page is zapped Sean Christopherson
2021-12-09  6:05 ` [PATCH 5/7] KVM: s390: Replace KVM_REQ_MMU_RELOAD usage with arch specific request Sean Christopherson
2021-12-09  9:14   ` Claudio Imbrenda
2021-12-09 10:52   ` Janosch Frank
2021-12-09  6:05 ` [PATCH 6/7] KVM: Drop KVM_REQ_MMU_RELOAD and update vcpu-requests.rst documentation Sean Christopherson
2021-12-09  8:17   ` Claudio Imbrenda
2021-12-09  6:05 ` [PATCH 7/7] KVM: WARN if is_unsync_root() is called on a root without a shadow page Sean Christopherson

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