DVD writer and IDE support...

DVD writer and IDE support...

[aeriksson]

All,

I've just gotten myself a new DVD burner which triggers some 
interesting events in the kernel. From the log:

hdc: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
hdc: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
hdc: packet command error: error=0x40 { LastFailedSense=0x04 }
ide: failed opcode was: unknown
ATAPI device hdc:
  Error: Hardware error -- (Sense key=0x04)
  Focus servo failure -- (asc=0x09, ascq=0x02)
  The failed "Read Cd/Dvd Capacity" packet command was: 
  "25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 "


rmmod'ing the icd-cd module and modprob'ing the ide-scsi (seeing as 
that used to be the common approach for folks (I'm new to burners...))
I got this in the log:

ide-scsi is deprecated for cd burning! Use ide-cd and give dev=/dev/hdX as device
scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
  Vendor: AOPEN     Model: DUW1608/ARR       Rev: A060
  Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0

How should I interprete this? That the device is not supported under
the icd-cd module but the scsi support detects and supports it ok?
I've not tried to burn anything with it yet so I have no hard facts on
if there is enough support (yet).

If there is any sort of data which need to be shipped somewhere to 
make this device supported by ide-cd, I'd be glad to help...

Advice appreciated,

/Anders

Re: DVD writer and IDE support...

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 08:14:21PM +0200, aeriksson@fastmail.fm wrote:
> I've just gotten myself a new DVD burner which triggers some 
> interesting events in the kernel. From the log:
> 
> hdc: ATAPI 48X DVD-ROM DVD-R CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache, UDMA(33)
> Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.20
> hdc: packet command error: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
> hdc: packet command error: error=0x40 { LastFailedSense=0x04 }
> ide: failed opcode was: unknown
> ATAPI device hdc:
>   Error: Hardware error -- (Sense key=0x04)
>   Focus servo failure -- (asc=0x09, ascq=0x02)
>   The failed "Read Cd/Dvd Capacity" packet command was: 
>   "25 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 "

Well certainly something appears to go wrong.  So far I have used a dvd
writer (PX708A and PX716A) on kernels up to 2.6.10 (i386) and 2.6.11
(amd64) and had no problems using ide-cd to do the burning (writing
DVDs using growisofs of course, and CDs using cdrecord).

> rmmod'ing the icd-cd module and modprob'ing the ide-scsi (seeing as 
> that used to be the common approach for folks (I'm new to burners...))
> I got this in the log:
> 
> ide-scsi is deprecated for cd burning! Use ide-cd and give dev=/dev/hdX as device
> scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE ATAPI devices
>   Vendor: AOPEN     Model: DUW1608/ARR       Rev: A060
>   Type:   CD-ROM                             ANSI SCSI revision: 02
> sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray
> Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
> 
> How should I interprete this? That the device is not supported under
> the icd-cd module but the scsi support detects and supports it ok?
> I've not tried to burn anything with it yet so I have no hard facts on
> if there is enough support (yet).
> 
> If there is any sort of data which need to be shipped somewhere to 
> make this device supported by ide-cd, I'd be glad to help...

Well it does look odd that it loads with one and not the other.  Which
kernel is this with?

Does writing CDs and DVDs actually work using ide-scsi?  Does it work
using ide-cd?

Len Sorensen

Re: DVD writer and IDE support...

[aeriksson]

> On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 08:14:21PM +0200, aeriksson@fastmail.fm wrote:
<snip>
> 
> Well it does look odd that it loads with one and not the other.  Which
> kernel is this with?
> 
It's with 2.6.11.7

> Does writing CDs and DVDs actually work using ide-scsi?  Does it work
> using ide-cd?

Dunno yet. What's the fastest way to dump a file to a (fs on) a blank 
4.7 GB DVD RW? As I said this is not my home turf so I have to read 
up on the commands to use (I guess I'm not dd'ing an iso image to 
/dev/hdc...)

> 
> Len Sorensen
> 
Thanks for helping out.

/Anders

Re: DVD writer and IDE support...

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 09:07:56PM +0200, aeriksson@fastmail.fm wrote:
> It's with 2.6.11.7

Probably close to the 2.6.11 kernel I run on Debian-pure64/sarge.

> Dunno yet. What's the fastest way to dump a file to a (fs on) a blank 
> 4.7 GB DVD RW? As I said this is not my home turf so I have to read 
> up on the commands to use (I guess I'm not dd'ing an iso image to 
> /dev/hdc...)

growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -J -R /path/to/dir/with/less/than/4.5GB/of/files

That should do it.  To do scsi I suspect it would be /dev/sg0 or
/dev/scd0.  I haven't actually tried burning in scsi emulation mode with
these drives.

growisofs is part of dvd+rw-tools.  It will autoformat the disc if
needed.

Len Sorensen

Re: DVD writer and IDE support...

[aeriksson]

> On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 09:07:56PM +0200, aeriksson@fastmail.fm wrote:
> growisofs -Z /dev/hdc -J -R /path/to/dir/with/less/than/4.5GB/of/files
> 
> That should do it.  To do scsi I suspect it would be /dev/sg0 or
> /dev/scd0.  I haven't actually tried burning in scsi emulation mode with
> these drives.
> 
Nope. No go. The kernel log getsb these 4 lines:
Apr 13 22:08:30 tippex SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
Apr 13 22:08:30 tippex sr0: Current: sense key: Medium Error
Apr 13 22:08:36 tippex SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
Apr 13 22:08:36 tippex sr0: Current: sense key: Medium Error

and the application bails out with:
:-[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=5h/ASC=30h/ACQ=05h]: Wrong medium type
:-( media is not formatted or unsupported.
:-( write failed: Wrong medium type

This is with a fresh from the box DVD-RW. Do I need to 'format' the
thing before writing to it? This is getting tricky... Are these kind
of errors normally indicative of lack of support or a faulty unit?
I have no windows around to test it with the shipped nero-cd :-(

/Anders

Re: DVD writer and IDE support...

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 10:59:49PM +0200, aeriksson@fastmail.fm wrote:
> Nope. No go. The kernel log getsb these 4 lines:
> Apr 13 22:08:30 tippex SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
> Apr 13 22:08:30 tippex sr0: Current: sense key: Medium Error
> Apr 13 22:08:36 tippex SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
> Apr 13 22:08:36 tippex sr0: Current: sense key: Medium Error
> 
> and the application bails out with:
> :-[ WRITE@LBA=0h failed with SK=5h/ASC=30h/ACQ=05h]: Wrong medium type
> :-( media is not formatted or unsupported.
> :-( write failed: Wrong medium type
> 
> This is with a fresh from the box DVD-RW. Do I need to 'format' the
> thing before writing to it? This is getting tricky... Are these kind
> of errors normally indicative of lack of support or a faulty unit?
> I have no windows around to test it with the shipped nero-cd :-(

What brand/model drive is this?

It is possible to get very weird errors if you have unsupported media in
the drive and some drives don't like certain media types.  Sometimes a
firmware update on the drive fixes it although it usually requires
windows (or sometimes dos) to install the update (or linux will do if
the drive is a plextor).

Len Sorensen

Re: DVD writer and IDE support...

[aeriksson]

> 
> What brand/model drive is this?
> 
It's an AOPEN  DUW1608/ARR 
http://usa.aopen.com/products/dvd+rw/DUW1608ARR.htm

Should I consider changing it? (I got an 'if this doesn't run on Linux 
I can trade it in' warranty at the shop)

> It is possible to get very weird errors if you have unsupported media in
> the drive and some drives don't like certain media types.  Sometimes a
> firmware update on the drive fixes it although it usually requires
> windows (or sometimes dos) to install the update (or linux will do if
> the drive is a plextor).
> 
I noticed a firmware upgrade on the web page (.exe) will try to get a 
dos disk running... Sigh...

/Anders

Re: DVD writer and IDE support...

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 03:35:22PM +0200, aeriksson@fastmail.fm wrote:
> It's an AOPEN  DUW1608/ARR 
> http://usa.aopen.com/products/dvd+rw/DUW1608ARR.htm
> 
> Should I consider changing it? (I got an 'if this doesn't run on Linux 
> I can trade it in' warranty at the shop)

Well there is a cdwrite mailing list hosted on lists.debian.org which is
a great place to figure out what weird errors are and such, and the
authors of the programs used for writing discs are on thoses lists too,
so you may want to ask for advice there.

Did you try writing using ide-scsi mode with growisofs ?  Any
difference?  Does dvd+rw-media return anything with a disc in the drive?

> I noticed a firmware upgrade on the web page (.exe) will try to get a 
> dos disk running... Sigh...

It might require windows.  Certainly their firmware updates mostly seem
to cover 'improved media coverage'.

I have only been buying the plextor drives personally, since I have
never had a problem with a plextor drive yet, and I like not needing
windows to update the firmware and I find I save time by spending a bit
more on getting the best hardware I can reasonably afford.

Len Sorensen

Re: DVD writer and IDE support...

[Jeremy Muise]

> > It's an AOPEN  DUW1608/ARR
I just thought I should chime in because I have the same burner running
under a 2.6.11 kernel, and using ide-cd. The drive burns just fine, linux
support was good, but I did run into two problems:
1) I had to shop around till I found a brand of DVD-R (I haven't tried RW yet)
    that would work, finally settled on TDK.
2) it failed to write to slower media, I think anything below 4 it had
trouble with

-- 
Jeremy Muise - jeremy.muise@gmail.com
Registered Linux User Number: 374195

Re: DVD writer and IDE support...

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 12:02:14PM -0300, Jeremy Muise wrote:
> > > It's an AOPEN  DUW1608/ARR
> I just thought I should chime in because I have the same burner running
> under a 2.6.11 kernel, and using ide-cd. The drive burns just fine, linux
> support was good, but I did run into two problems:
> 1) I had to shop around till I found a brand of DVD-R (I haven't tried RW yet)
>     that would work, finally settled on TDK.
> 2) it failed to write to slower media, I think anything below 4 it had
> trouble with

So it is a very picky drive, or the firmware is still in need of fixes
(I saw at least 4 firmware updates each adding improved media
compatibility, so perhaps it is something they are working on).

Perhaps not the best writer around, but I bet the price is nice.

Len Sorensen

Re: DVD writer and IDE support...

[aeriksson]

> On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 03:35:22PM +0200, aeriksson@fastmail.fm wrote:
> Well there is a cdwrite mailing list hosted on lists.debian.org which is
> a great place to figure out what weird errors are and such, and the
> authors of the programs used for writing discs are on thoses lists too,
> so you may want to ask for advice there.
> 
Thanks, I'll get myself onto that list...

> Did you try writing using ide-scsi mode with growisofs ?  Any
> difference?  Does dvd+rw-media return anything with a disc in the drive?
> 
With this array of modules:
sg                     34112  0 
sr_mod                 17700  0 
ide_scsi               15556  0 
scsi_mod              126952  3 sg,sr_mod,ide_scsi
ide_cd                 40004  0 

Where ide_cd was told to ignore hdc (inspired from the dvd+rw-tools 
web), I got this:
tippex root # dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/sr0
INQUIRY:                [AOPEN   ][DUW1608/ARR     ][A060]
GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
 Mounted Media:         14h, DVD-RW Sequential
 Media ID:              CMCW02      
 Current Write Speed:   2.0x1385=2770KB/s
 Write Speed #0:        2.0x1385=2770KB/s
GET [CURRENT] PERFORMANCE:
 Write Performance:     2.0x1385=2770KB/s@[0 -> 2298496]
 Speed Descriptor#0:    02/2298496 R@3.3x1385=4617KB/s W@2.0x1385=2770KB/s
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#10h]:
 Media Book Type:       32h, DVD-RW book [revision 2]
 Legacy lead-out at:    2298496*2KB=4707319808
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]:
 Media Book Type:       32h, DVD-RW book [revision 2]
 Last border-out at:    2285854*2KB=4681428992
READ DISC INFORMATION:
 Disc status:           complete
 Number of Sessions:    1
 State of Last Session: complete
 Number of Tracks:      1
READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]:
 Track State:           complete
 Track Start Address:   0*2KB
 Free Blocks:           0*2KB
 Track Size:            4294770688*2KB
 Last Recorded Address: 2285853*2KB
FABRICATED TOC:
 Track#1  :             14@0
 Track#AA :             14@2298496
 Multi-session Info:    #1@0
READ CAPACITY:          2298496*2048=4707319808

Not sure what it says, but I see one sesssion there. I guess that's 
from my previos burn attempt. I seemed to be successful with:

tippex root # dvd+rw-format -blank /dev/sr0
* DVD±RW/-RAM format utility by <appro@fy.chalmers.se>, version 4.10.
* 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected.
* blanking |

No errors reported! Now I get:
tippex root # dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/sr0
INQUIRY:                [AOPEN   ][DUW1608/ARR     ][A060]
GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
 Mounted Media:         14h, DVD-RW Sequential
 Media ID:              CMCW02      
 Current Write Speed:   2.0x1385=2770KB/s
 Write Speed #0:        2.0x1385=2770KB/s
GET [CURRENT] PERFORMANCE:
 Write Performance:     2.0x1385=2770KB/s@[0 -> 2297888]
 Speed Descriptor#0:    02/2297888 R@3.3x1385=4617KB/s W@2.0x1385=2770KB/s
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#10h]:
 Media Book Type:       32h, DVD-RW book [revision 2]
 Legacy lead-out at:    2298496*2KB=4707319808
READ DVD STRUCTURE[#0h]:
 Media Book Type:       32h, DVD-RW book [revision 2]
 Last border-out at:    2298496*2KB=4707319808
READ DISC INFORMATION:
 Disc status:           blank
 Number of Sessions:    1
 State of Last Session: empty
 Number of Tracks:      1
READ TRACK INFORMATION[#1]:
 Track State:           invisible incremental
 Track Start Address:   0*2KB
 Next Writable Address: 0*2KB
 Free Blocks:           2297888*2KB
 Track Size:            2297888*2KB
READ CAPACITY:          1*2048=2048

... which seems consistent with expectations. Now another try with 
the burner:
tippex root # growisofs -Z /dev/sr0 -R -J /tmp/quilt-0.32/
Executing 'mkisofs -R -J /tmp/quilt-0.32/ | builtin_dd of=/dev/sr0 obs=32k seek=0'
Using SNAPS000.TES;1 for  /tmp/quilt-0.32/test/snapshot.test (snapshot2.test)
/dev/sr0: FEATURE 21h is not on, engaging DAO...
/dev/sr0: reserving 432 block, warning for short DAO recording
/dev/sr0: "Current Write Speed" is 2.0x1385KBps.
:-( unable to WRITE@LBA=0h: Input/output error
:-( attempt to re-run with -dvd-compat -dvd-compat to engage DAO or apply full blanking procedure
:-( write failed: Input/output error

and the kernel log has:
Apr 14 18:12:54 tippex hdc: DMA timeout retry
Apr 14 18:12:54 tippex hdc: timeout waiting for DMA
Apr 14 18:12:54 tippex hdc: ATAPI reset complete
Apr 14 18:13:14 tippex scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 0 channel 0 id 8 lun 0
Apr 14 18:13:14 tippex SCSI error : <0 0 8 0> return code = 0x6000000
Apr 14 18:13:14 tippex scsi0 (8:0): rejecting I/O to offline device


> > I noticed a firmware upgrade on the web page (.exe) will try to
> > get a dos disk running... Sigh...

> It might require windows.  Certainly their firmware updates mostly
> seem to cover 'improved media coverage'.
 
Yep. I get the feeling my media and the drive as-is don't like each
other. What are the chances that the device is faulty but i can still 
blank the media (btw where can I read up on blanking vs. formating?)

> I have only been buying the plextor drives personally, since I have
> never had a problem with a plextor drive yet, and I like not needing
> windows to update the firmware and I find I save time by spending a bit
> more on getting the best hardware I can reasonably afford.
> 
Starting to seem like a wise choice...

> Len Sorensen
> 
/Anders

Re: DVD writer and IDE support...

[aeriksson]

> > > It's an AOPEN  DUW1608/ARR
> I just thought I should chime in because I have the same burner running
> under a 2.6.11 kernel, and using ide-cd. The drive burns just fine, linux
> support was good, but I did run into two problems:
> 1) I had to shop around till I found a brand of DVD-R (I haven't tried RW y=
> et)
>     that would work, finally settled on TDK.
> 2) it failed to write to slower media, I think anything below 4 it had
> trouble with
> 
Thanks for that info! I'm starting to suspect media too. I'll try to 
wreste that firmware upgrade into it. Which firmware version are you 
using?

/Anders

Re: DVD writer and IDE support...

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 06:25:39PM +0200, aeriksson@fastmail.fm wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 14, 2005 at 03:35:22PM +0200, aeriksson@fastmail.fm wrote:
> > Well there is a cdwrite mailing list hosted on lists.debian.org which is
> > a great place to figure out what weird errors are and such, and the
> > authors of the programs used for writing discs are on thoses lists too,
> > so you may want to ask for advice there.
> > 
> Thanks, I'll get myself onto that list...
> 
> > Did you try writing using ide-scsi mode with growisofs ?  Any
> > difference?  Does dvd+rw-media return anything with a disc in the drive?
> > 
> With this array of modules:
> sg                     34112  0 
> sr_mod                 17700  0 
> ide_scsi               15556  0 
> scsi_mod              126952  3 sg,sr_mod,ide_scsi
> ide_cd                 40004  0 
> 
> Where ide_cd was told to ignore hdc (inspired from the dvd+rw-tools 
> web), I got this:
> tippex root # dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/sr0
> INQUIRY:                [AOPEN   ][DUW1608/ARR     ][A060]
> GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
>  Mounted Media:         14h, DVD-RW Sequential
>  Multi-session Info:    #1@0
[snip]
> READ CAPACITY:          2298496*2048=4707319808
> 
> Not sure what it says, but I see one sesssion there. I guess that's 
> from my previos burn attempt. I seemed to be successful with:

Well that looks normal at least.

> tippex root # dvd+rw-format -blank /dev/sr0
> * DVD?RW/-RAM format utility by <appro@fy.chalmers.se>, version 4.10.
> * 4.7GB DVD-RW media in Sequential mode detected.
> * blanking |
> 
> No errors reported! Now I get:
> tippex root # dvd+rw-mediainfo /dev/sr0
> INQUIRY:                [AOPEN   ][DUW1608/ARR     ][A060]
> GET [CURRENT] CONFIGURATION:
>  Mounted Media:         14h, DVD-RW Sequential
>  Media ID:              CMCW02      
[snip]
>  Next Writable Address: 0*2KB
>  Free Blocks:           2297888*2KB
>  Track Size:            2297888*2KB
> READ CAPACITY:          1*2048=2048

And so does that.

> ... which seems consistent with expectations. Now another try with 
> the burner:
> tippex root # growisofs -Z /dev/sr0 -R -J /tmp/quilt-0.32/
> Executing 'mkisofs -R -J /tmp/quilt-0.32/ | builtin_dd of=/dev/sr0 obs=32k seek=0'
> Using SNAPS000.TES;1 for  /tmp/quilt-0.32/test/snapshot.test (snapshot2.test)
> /dev/sr0: FEATURE 21h is not on, engaging DAO...
> /dev/sr0: reserving 432 block, warning for short DAO recording
> /dev/sr0: "Current Write Speed" is 2.0x1385KBps.
> :-( unable to WRITE@LBA=0h: Input/output error
> :-( attempt to re-run with -dvd-compat -dvd-compat to engage DAO or apply full blanking procedure
> :-( write failed: Input/output error
> 
> and the kernel log has:
> Apr 14 18:12:54 tippex hdc: DMA timeout retry
> Apr 14 18:12:54 tippex hdc: timeout waiting for DMA
> Apr 14 18:12:54 tippex hdc: ATAPI reset complete
> Apr 14 18:13:14 tippex scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery: host 0 channel 0 id 8 lun 0
> Apr 14 18:13:14 tippex SCSI error : <0 0 8 0> return code = 0x6000000
> Apr 14 18:13:14 tippex scsi0 (8:0): rejecting I/O to offline device

Maybe try growisofs -dvd-compat -dvd-compat -Z /dev/sr0 .... like it suggested.
Maybe the drive's firmware doesn't support the modes normally expected
by growisofs.

growisofs has some odd options in the source code, and the authors on
the cdwrite list may be able to help.  I think it is starting to look
like bad firmware or a defective drive.

> 
> Yep. I get the feeling my media and the drive as-is don't like each
> other. What are the chances that the device is faulty but i can still 
> blank the media (btw where can I read up on blanking vs. formating?)

Well I am not sure it's the media either.  I think the drive isn't quite
up to the specs growisofs expects.  The authors may be better able to
answer that.  They also have some tools they may ask you to run to ask
the drive what features it has so they can see if the drive is a bit odd
or not.

> Starting to seem like a wise choice...

I got the PX716A a few weeks ago while they had a $30 mail in rebate.
Made it not much more than buying a lesser drive.  Unfortuantely that
expired at the end of March.

On the other hand, not having to run around trying weird things,
wondering if my media is bad, I just burn discs.  Sometimes it burns 8x
media at 2x if it doesn't think they are high enough quality, but it
burns them right each time.

Len Sorensen

Re: DVD writer and IDE support...

[Jeremy Muise]

> Thanks for that info! I'm starting to suspect media too. I'll try to
> wreste that firmware upgrade into it. Which firmware version are you
> using?

I've got version R1.07 of the firmware.

-- 
Jeremy Muise - jeremy.muise@gmail.com
Registered Linux User Number: 374195

Re: DVD writer and IDE support (solved)...

[aeriksson]

All,
jeremy.muise@gmail.com said:
>> Thanks for that info! I'm starting to suspect media too. I'll try to
>> wreste that firmware upgrade into it. Which firmware version are you
>> using?
>
> I've got version R1.07 of the firmware. 

Through a very painful procedure I got w98 installed and bumped my 
firmware revision. The filename of the installation binary was 
duw1608_r108.exe suggesting R1.08 but the windows screen mentioned
that the bumping was from 060 to 080 or thereabouts...

At any rate, now everything seems to work as it should, using the 
ide-cd driver. That you all for the help!

Cheers,
/Anders

Re: DVD writer and IDE support (solved)...

[Lennart Sorensen]

On Sat, Apr 16, 2005 at 08:26:38PM +0200, aeriksson@fastmail.fm wrote:
> Through a very painful procedure I got w98 installed and bumped my 
> firmware revision. The filename of the installation binary was 
> duw1608_r108.exe suggesting R1.08 but the windows screen mentioned
> that the bumping was from 060 to 080 or thereabouts...
> 
> At any rate, now everything seems to work as it should, using the 
> ide-cd driver. That you all for the help!

Sounds like you had 1.06 and went to 1.08 and that solved the problem.
Always nice when companies fix their firmware bugs. :)

Len Sorensen