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From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Where is it written?
Date: 10 Nov 2000 17:10:00 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ui698$c2q$1@cesium.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20001110184031.A2704@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> <200011110011.eAB0BbF244111@saturn.cs.uml.edu> <20001110192751.A2766@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org>

Followup to:  <20001110192751.A2766@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org>
By author:    Michael Meissner <meissner@spectacle-pond.org>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
> 
> Generally with ABIs you don't want to mess with it (otherwise you can't be
> guaranteed that a library built by somebody else will be compatible with your
> code, without all sorts of bits in the e_flags field).  It allows multiple
> compilers to be provided that all interoperate (as long as they follow the same
> spec).
> 
> Don't get me wrong -- in my 25 years of compiler hacking, I've never seen an
> ABI that I was completely happy with, including ABI's that I designed myself.
> ABIs by their nature are a compromise.  That particular ABI was short sighted
> in that it wants only 32-bit alignment for doubles, instead of 64-bit alignment
> for instance, and also doesn't align the stack to higher alignment boundaries.
> 

We can mess with the ABI, but it requires a wholescale rev of the
entire system.  We have had such revs before -- each major rev of libc
is one -- but they are incredibly painful.  However, if we find
ourselves in a situation where there are enough reasons to introduce
libc.so.7 then perhaps looking at some revs to the ABI might be in
order -- passing arguments in registers and aligning the stack to 64
bits probably would be the main items.

	-hpa
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  reply	other threads:[~2000-11-11  1:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-11-10 16:37 Where is it written? George Anzinger
2000-11-10 23:40 ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-11  0:11   ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-11-11  0:27     ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-11  1:10       ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2000-11-11  1:28         ` Keith Owens
2000-11-11  1:33           ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-14  1:33             ` Richard Henderson
2000-11-11  5:17           ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-11 14:51             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-11 15:32       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-11 23:17         ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-11 23:30           ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-12  4:54             ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-12  5:21               ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-12  5:36                 ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-12  5:55                   ` Keith Owens
2000-11-12  9:35                 ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-12 12:23           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-13  5:28             ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-12 15:35           ` Olaf Titz
2000-11-11  1:06     ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-10 23:49 ` H. Peter Anvin

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