From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Where is it written?
Date: 10 Nov 2000 17:10:00 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8ui698$c2q$1@cesium.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20001110184031.A2704@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org> <200011110011.eAB0BbF244111@saturn.cs.uml.edu> <20001110192751.A2766@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org>
Followup to: <20001110192751.A2766@munchkin.spectacle-pond.org>
By author: Michael Meissner <meissner@spectacle-pond.org>
In newsgroup: linux.dev.kernel
>
> Generally with ABIs you don't want to mess with it (otherwise you can't be
> guaranteed that a library built by somebody else will be compatible with your
> code, without all sorts of bits in the e_flags field). It allows multiple
> compilers to be provided that all interoperate (as long as they follow the same
> spec).
>
> Don't get me wrong -- in my 25 years of compiler hacking, I've never seen an
> ABI that I was completely happy with, including ABI's that I designed myself.
> ABIs by their nature are a compromise. That particular ABI was short sighted
> in that it wants only 32-bit alignment for doubles, instead of 64-bit alignment
> for instance, and also doesn't align the stack to higher alignment boundaries.
>
We can mess with the ABI, but it requires a wholescale rev of the
entire system. We have had such revs before -- each major rev of libc
is one -- but they are incredibly painful. However, if we find
ourselves in a situation where there are enough reasons to introduce
libc.so.7 then perhaps looking at some revs to the ABI might be in
order -- passing arguments in registers and aligning the stack to 64
bits probably would be the main items.
-hpa
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2000-11-11 1:10 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2000-11-10 16:37 Where is it written? George Anzinger
2000-11-10 23:40 ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-11 0:11 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2000-11-11 0:27 ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-11 1:10 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2000-11-11 1:28 ` Keith Owens
2000-11-11 1:33 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-14 1:33 ` Richard Henderson
2000-11-11 5:17 ` Michael Meissner
2000-11-11 14:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-11 15:32 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-11 23:17 ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-11 23:30 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-12 4:54 ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-12 5:21 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-12 5:36 ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-12 5:55 ` Keith Owens
2000-11-12 9:35 ` Andi Kleen
2000-11-12 12:23 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-13 5:28 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-12 15:35 ` Olaf Titz
2000-11-11 1:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2000-11-10 23:49 ` H. Peter Anvin
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