All INNOMINATE linux-list feeds are now killed...

All INNOMINATE linux-list feeds are now killed...

[Matti Aarnio]

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See attachment, these lists got removed:


linux-alpha:	news-innominate.list.linux.alpha@innominate.de
linux-doc:	news-innominate.list.linux-doc@innominate.de
linux-fsdevel:	news-innominate.list.linux.fsdevel@innominate.de
linux-kernel:	news-innominate.list.linux.kernel@innominate.de
linux-raid:	news-innominate.list.linux.raid@innominate.de
linux-scsi:	news-innominate.list.linux.scsi@innominate.de
linux-smp:	news-innominate.list.linux.smp@innominate.de
sparclinux:	news-innominate.list.linux.sparclinux@innominate.de
ultralinux:	news-innominate.list.linux.ultralinux@innominate.de


Officially we don't approve bidirectional  news<->list  feeds, as those
are prone to this type of blunders of looping messages back to the list.


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From: wakko@animx.eu.org (Wakko Warner)
To: news-innominate.list.linux.kernel@innominate.de
Subject: Re: test12-pre6
Date: 6 Dec 2000 12:40:46 +0100
Message-ID: <20001206064732.A6542@animx.eu.org>

>  - pre6:
>     - Andrew Morton: exec_usermodehelper fixes

pre4 oopsed all over the place on my alpha with modules and autoloading
turned on as soon as it mounted / and freed unused memory.  I take it this
was seen on i386 as well?

Will try pre6.

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Re: All INNOMINATE linux-list feeds are now killed...

[Juri Haberland]

Matti Aarnio wrote:
> 
> See attachment, these lists got removed:
> 
> linux-alpha:    news-innominate.list.linux.alpha@innominate.de
> linux-doc:      news-innominate.list.linux-doc@innominate.de
> linux-fsdevel:  news-innominate.list.linux.fsdevel@innominate.de
> linux-kernel:   news-innominate.list.linux.kernel@innominate.de
> linux-raid:     news-innominate.list.linux.raid@innominate.de
> linux-scsi:     news-innominate.list.linux.scsi@innominate.de
> linux-smp:      news-innominate.list.linux.smp@innominate.de
> sparclinux:     news-innominate.list.linux.sparclinux@innominate.de
> ultralinux:     news-innominate.list.linux.ultralinux@innominate.de
> 
> Officially we don't approve bidirectional  news<->list  feeds, as those
> are prone to this type of blunders of looping messages back to the list.

We know that this is a difficult setup and we tested it thoroughly
before using it, and it worked for a long time now. Unfortunately one of
our admins updated the news server today without thinking of the
implications :-(

We deeply regret this and apologize honestly, but also would like to
resubscribe...

Juri

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Re: All INNOMINATE linux-list feeds are now killed...

[Rik van Riel]

On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Juri Haberland wrote:

> We deeply regret this and apologize honestly, but also would
> like to resubscribe...

Could you make it a one-way list this time?
These two-way lists always give horrible problems
and I would hate to killfile all of innominate ;)

Rik
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Re: All INNOMINATE linux-list feeds are now killed...

[Juri Haberland]

Rik van Riel wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2000, Juri Haberland wrote:
> 
> > We deeply regret this and apologize honestly, but also would
> > like to resubscribe...
> 
> Could you make it a one-way list this time?
> These two-way lists always give horrible problems
> and I would hate to killfile all of innominate ;)

Allright, I think we have choice :-/
Sorry again...

Juri 

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Re: All INNOMINATE linux-list feeds are now killed...

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <3A2E3FB5.3993FE29@innominate.com>,
Juri Haberland  <juri.haberland@innominate.com> wrote:
>Rik van Riel wrote:
>> 
>> Could you make it a one-way list this time?
>> These two-way lists always give horrible problems
>> and I would hate to killfile all of innominate ;)
>
>Allright, I think we have choice :-/
>Sorry again...

At ftp://ftp.cistron.nl/pub/people/miquels/software/cistron-m2n-1.36.tar.gz
you'll find some gatewaying software that is unidirectional, yet
bidirectional ;)

It works by marking the groups as moderated. A posting to the group
will be sent by mail to the moderator, which is a script that
checks and rewrites the news message, and sends it to the list.

That way it's almost impossible for loops to get created.

Mike.
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Re: All INNOMINATE linux-list feeds are now killed...

[Marco d'Itri]

On Dec 06, Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br> wrote:

 >> We deeply regret this and apologize honestly, but also would
 >> like to resubscribe...
 >Could you make it a one-way list this time?
If vger postmasters do not mind, next week I'm going to unidirectinally
gate linux-kernel (and maybe other high traffic vger lists, any
suggestions?) to a group in the linux.* hierarchy[1].

[1] http://www.linux.it/~md/linux-faq
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Re: All INNOMINATE linux-list feeds are now killed...

[Matti Aarnio]

On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 02:09:31AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Dec 06, Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br> wrote:
>  >> We deeply regret this and apologize honestly, but also would
>  >> like to resubscribe...
>  >Could you make it a one-way list this time?
>
> If vger postmasters do not mind, next week I'm going to unidirectinally
> gate linux-kernel (and maybe other high traffic vger lists, any
> suggestions?) to a group in the linux.* hierarchy[1].

	You are welcome to do that.

	It is just the BI-directional gatewaying we are opposing
	for well observed reasons...  (People are doing bidirectional
	gateways regardless of our opposition -- "we are good, we
	won't do it wrong", but when things irregardless do go wrong,
	we have to do some drastic measures to cut the loops.)

> [1] http://www.linux.it/~md/linux-faq
> -- 
> ciao,
> Marco

/Matti Aarnio
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