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From: Chris Mason <mason@suse.com>
To: Rik van Riel <riel@conectiva.com.br>
Cc: Marcelo Tosatti <marcelo@conectiva.com.br>,
	Xuan Baldauf <xuan--lkml@baldauf.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, andrea@suse.de,
	"reiserfs-list@namesys.com" <reiserfs-list@namesys.com>
Subject: Re: VM deadlock
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2001 16:52:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <946960000.993675145@tiny> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.33L.0106271733280.23373-100000@duckman.distro.conectiva>



On Wednesday, June 27, 2001 05:36:45 PM -0300 Rik van Riel
<riel@conectiva.com.br> wrote:

> On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, Chris Mason wrote:
>> On Wednesday, June 27, 2001 04:43:28 PM -0300 Rik van Riel
> 
>> > If you don't have free memory, you are limited to 2 choices:
>> > 
>> > 1) wait on IO
>> > 2) spin endlessly, wasting CPU until the IO is done
>> 
>> Ok, I need to describe the problem a little better.  reiserfs
>> inodes need to be logged, which means you have to join/start a
>> transaction in order to write them.
> 
>> So, the only time reiserfs_write_inode needs to do something is for fsync
>> and/or O_SYNC writes, and all it needs to do is commit the transaction.
>> 
>> Any time kswapd is calling write_inode, it is just trying to
>> free the inode struct, and reiserfs can safely ignore the write
>> request, regardless of if a sync is requested.
> 
> OK, sounds sane enough to me ;)

Well, I guess that's one word for it...I'll bet $5 Al's got a few others
;-) A better fix is to have private inode dirty lists....

> 
> So the fix is just to let reiserfs_write_inode always be
> asynchronous, independent of its arguments, as long as
> we're not in fsync() or O_SYNC.

I think so, but there needs to be some testing there.  Note that I managed
to run a heavy stress test (put my machine far, far into swap) for 3 solid
days without hitting this.  When I initially made the dirty_inode kludge, I
could trigger it in ~10 minutes.  

> 
> OTOH, if we are called synchronously, we could also just
> walk down the code path taken when we _are_ called by
> fsync(), right ?

sorry, not sure what you mean.  In fsync we do a commit, which might wait
on the current transaction, so kswapd can't go down that code path.

-chris



  reply	other threads:[~2001-06-27 20:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-27 14:27 VM deadlock Xuan Baldauf
2001-06-27 13:11 ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-06-27 16:13   ` Xuan Baldauf
2001-06-27 15:09 ` Chris Mason
2001-06-27 16:20   ` Xuan Baldauf
2001-06-27 17:43   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2001-06-27 19:36     ` Chris Mason
2001-06-27 19:43       ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-27 20:24         ` Chris Mason
2001-06-27 20:36           ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-27 20:52             ` Chris Mason [this message]
2001-06-28  3:21           ` Andrew Morton
2001-06-28 12:53             ` Chris Mason
2001-06-28 14:08               ` Andrew Morton
2001-06-28 14:25                 ` Chris Mason
2001-06-27 19:50       ` [reiserfs-list] " Xuan Baldauf
2001-06-27 18:16   ` Rik van Riel
2001-06-27 18:38     ` Chris Mason

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