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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: paulmck <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Russell King, ARM Linux" <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@ezchip.com>, Chris Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Kirill Tkhai <tkhai@yandex.ru>, Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 1/2] Fix: sched/membarrier: p->mm->membarrier_state racy load
Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2019 16:53:47 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <951669027.771.1567544027663.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wg61zhuzhnrh_t=cAhgm+adNfsnS0A_cD=TOQAriHNDew@mail.gmail.com>

----- On Sep 3, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Linus Torvalds torvalds@linux-foundation.org wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 3, 2019 at 1:11 PM Mathieu Desnoyers
> <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com> wrote:
>>
>> +       cpus_read_lock();
>> +       for_each_online_cpu(cpu) {
> 
> This would likely be better off using mm_cpumask(mm) instead of all
> online CPU's.

I've considered using mm_cpumask(mm) in the original implementation of
the membarrier expedited private command, and chose to stick to online
cpu mask instead.

Here was my off-list justification to Peter Zijlstra and Paul E. McKenney:

  If we have an iteration on mm_cpumask in the membarrier code,
  then we additionally need to document that memory barriers are
  required before and/or after all updates to the mm_cpumask, otherwise
  I think we end up in the same situation as with the rq->curr update.
  [...]
  So we'd be sprinkling even more memory barrier comments all over.

Considering the amount of comments that needed to be added around the
scheduler rq->curr update for membarrier, I'm concerned that the amount
of additional analysis, documentation, and design constraints required
to safely use mm_cpumask() from membarrier is not really worth it
compared to iterating on online cpus with cpu hotplug read lock held.

> 
> Plus doing the rcu_read_lock() inside the loop seems pointless. Even
> with a lot of cores, it's not going to loop _that_ many times for RCU
> latency to be an issue.

Good point! I'll keep that in mind for next round if we don't chose an
entirely different way forward.

Thanks,

Mathieu

-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
http://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2019-09-03 20:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-03 20:11 [RFC PATCH 1/2] Fix: sched/membarrier: p->mm->membarrier_state racy load Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-09-03 20:11 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] Fix: sched/membarrier: private expedited registration check Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-09-03 20:24 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] Fix: sched/membarrier: p->mm->membarrier_state racy load Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-03 20:36   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-04 15:19     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-09-04 16:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-04 17:12         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-09-04 18:26           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-06  0:51             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-09-03 20:41   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-09-04 11:28     ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-04 11:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-04 15:26         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-09-04 12:03       ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-04 12:43         ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-04 13:17           ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-03 20:27 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-09-03 20:53   ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2019-09-04 10:53 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-04 11:39   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-09-04 15:24   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-09-04 11:11 ` Oleg Nesterov
2019-09-04 16:11   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-09-08 13:46   ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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