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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>
Cc: Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	Joerg Roedel <jroedel@suse.de>,
	Dionna Glaze <dionnaglaze@google.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Min M. Xu" <min.m.xu@intel.com>,
	Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	James Bottomley <jejb@linux.ibm.com>,
	Jiewen Yao <jiewen.yao@intel.com>,
	Erdem Aktas <erdemaktas@google.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 6/6] x86/efi: Safely enable unaccepted memory in UEFI
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 14:22:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <96513ddd-ee87-5fae-cb5c-79d0120fd326@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7dd9297f-b065-2ace-1c77-22dd0126c526@amd.com>

On 4/5/23 13:11, Tom Lendacky wrote:
>>> The thing that worries me is the "Near future firmware" where someone
>>> runs a ~6.4 kernel and has a fast boot experience.  They upgrade to a
>>> newer, "dropped protocol" kernel and their boot gets slower.
> 
> Right, so that is what begs the question of when to actually drop the
> call. Or does it really need to be dropped? It's a small patch to
> execute a boot services call, I guess I don't see the big deal of it
> being there.
> If the firmware still has the protocol, the call is made, if it doesn't,
> its not. In the overall support for unaccepted memory, this seems to be
> a very minor piece.

I honestly don't think it's a big deal either, at least on the kernel
side.  Maybe it's a bigger deal to the firmware folks on their side.

So, the corrected table looks something like this:

              |                   Kernel                   |
              |                                            |
              | Unenlightened | Enlightened | Dropped UEFI |
Firmware      |     ~5.19??   |    ~6.4??   | protocol     |
              |---------------+-------------+--------------|
Deployed      |   Slow boot   |  Slow boot  |  Slow boot   |
Near future   |   Slow boot   |  Fast boot  |  Slow boot   |
Far future    |  2GB limited  |  Fast Boot  |  Fast boot   |


But, honestly, I don't see much benefit to the "dropped UEFI protocol".
It adds complexity and will represent a regression either in boot
speeds, or in unenlightened kernels losing RAM when moving to newer
firmware.  Neither of those is great.

Looking at this _purely_ from the kernel perspective, I think I'd prefer
this situation:

          |            Kernel           |
          |                             |
          | Unenlightened | Enlightened |
Firmware  |     ~5.19??   |    ~6.4??   |
          |---------------+-------------+
Deployed  |   Slow boot   |  Slow boot  |
Future    |   Slow boot   |  Fast boot  |

and not have future firmware drop support for the handshake protocol.
That way there are no potential regressions.

Is there a compelling reason on the firmware side to drop the
ExitBootServices() protocol that I'm missing?

  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-05 21:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-30 11:49 [PATCHv9 00/14] mm, x86/cc: Implement support for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 01/14] x86/boot: Centralize __pa()/__va() definitions Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 02/14] mm: Add support for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-03  9:26   ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-03 10:02     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-03 13:07       ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 03/14] mm/page_alloc: Fake " Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-03 13:39   ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-03 14:39     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-03 15:50       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-14 10:19         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-03 14:43   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-03 14:47     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 04/14] mm/page_alloc: Add sysfs handle to accept accept_memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-03 13:43   ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-03 14:41     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 05/14] efi/x86: Get full memory map in allocate_e820() Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 06/14] x86/boot: Add infrastructure required for unaccepted memory support Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 07/14] efi/x86: Implement support for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 08/14] x86/boot/compressed: Handle " Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 09/14] x86/mm: Reserve unaccepted memory bitmap Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 10/14] x86/mm: Provide helpers for unaccepted memory Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 11/14] x86/mm: Avoid load_unaligned_zeropad() stepping into " Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-03 13:28   ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-03 14:42     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 12/14] x86/tdx: Make _tdx_hypercall() and __tdx_module_call() available in boot stub Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 13/14] x86/tdx: Refactor try_accept_one() Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-03-30 11:49 ` [PATCHv9 14/14] x86/tdx: Add unaccepted memory support Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-03 14:42 ` [PATCHv9 00/14] mm, x86/cc: Implement support for unaccepted memory Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-16 19:19   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-17  7:37     ` Vlastimil Babka
2023-04-04 17:23 ` [PATCH v7 0/6] Provide SEV-SNP " Tom Lendacky
2023-04-04 17:23   ` [PATCH v7 1/6] x86/sev: Fix calculation of end address based on number of pages Tom Lendacky
2023-04-04 17:23   ` [PATCH v7 2/6] x86/sev: Put PSC struct on the stack in prep for unaccepted memory support Tom Lendacky
2023-04-04 17:23   ` [PATCH v7 3/6] x86/sev: Allow for use of the early boot GHCB for PSC requests Tom Lendacky
2023-04-04 17:23   ` [PATCH v7 4/6] x86/sev: Use large PSC requests if applicable Tom Lendacky
2023-04-04 17:23   ` [PATCH v7 5/6] x86/sev: Add SNP-specific unaccepted memory support Tom Lendacky
2023-04-04 17:23   ` [PATCH v7 6/6] x86/efi: Safely enable unaccepted memory in UEFI Tom Lendacky
2023-04-04 17:45     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-04 17:57       ` Dave Hansen
2023-04-04 18:09         ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-04 19:27           ` Dave Hansen
2023-04-04 19:49           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-04-04 20:24             ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-04 20:41               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-04-04 21:01                 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-05  7:46                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-04-05 13:00                     ` Dave Hansen
2023-04-05 13:44                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-04-05 16:15                         ` Dave Hansen
2023-04-05 19:06                           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-05 20:11                             ` Tom Lendacky
2023-04-05 21:22                               ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2023-04-05 21:34                                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-04-05 13:42                     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2023-04-05 13:51                       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2023-04-05 10:06                   ` Gerd Hoffmann

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