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From: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
To: Erich Focht <efocht@ess.nec.de>, Michael Hohnbaum <hohnbaum@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	lse-tech <lse-tech@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Lse-tech] Minature NUMA scheduler
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 08:57:40 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <967810000.1042217859@titus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200301101734.56182.efocht@ess.nec.de>

> Having some sort of automatic node affinity of processes and equal
> node loads in mind (as design targets), we could:
>  - take the minimal NUMA scheduler
>  - if the normal (node-restricted) find_busiest_queue() fails and
>  certain conditions are fulfilled (tried to balance inside own node
>  for a while and didn't succeed, own CPU idle, etc... ???) rebalance
>  over node boundaries (eg. using my load balancer)
> This actually resembles the original design of the node affine
> scheduler, having the cross-node balancing separate is ok and might
> make the ideas clearer.

This seems like the right approach to me, apart from the trigger to
do the cross-node rebalance. I don't believe that has anything to do
with when we're internally balanced within a node or not, it's
whether the nodes are balanced relative to each other. I think we should 
just check that every N ticks, looking at node load averages, and do 
a cross-node rebalance if they're "significantly out".

The definintion of "N ticks" and "significantly out" would be a tunable
number, defined by each platform; roughly speaking, the lower the NUMA
ratio, the lower these numbers would be. That also allows us to wedge
all sorts of smarts in the NUMA rebalance part of the scheduler, such
as moving the tasks with the smallest RSS off node. The NUMA rebalancer
is obviously completely missing from the current implementation, and 
I expect we'd use mainly Erich's current code to implement that. 
However, it's suprising how well we do with no rebalancer at all,
apart from the exec-time initial load balance code.

Another big advantage of this approach is that it *obviously* changes
nothing at all for standard SMP systems (whereas your current patch does),
so it should be much easier to get it accepted into mainline ....

M.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-01-10 16:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-09 23:54 Minature NUMA scheduler Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-10  5:36 ` [Lse-tech] " Michael Hohnbaum
2003-01-10 16:34   ` Erich Focht
2003-01-10 16:57     ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2003-01-12 23:35       ` Erich Focht
2003-01-12 23:55       ` NUMA scheduler 2nd approach Erich Focht
2003-01-13  8:02         ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-01-13 11:32           ` Erich Focht
2003-01-13 15:26             ` [Lse-tech] " Christoph Hellwig
2003-01-13 15:46               ` Erich Focht
2003-01-13 19:03             ` Michael Hohnbaum
2003-01-14  1:23         ` Michael Hohnbaum
2003-01-14  4:45           ` [Lse-tech] " Andrew Theurer
2003-01-14  4:56             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-14 11:14               ` Erich Focht
2003-01-14 15:55                 ` [PATCH 2.5.58] new NUMA scheduler Erich Focht
2003-01-14 16:07                   ` [Lse-tech] " Christoph Hellwig
2003-01-14 16:23                   ` [PATCH 2.5.58] new NUMA scheduler: fix Erich Focht
2003-01-14 16:43                     ` Erich Focht
2003-01-14 19:02                       ` Michael Hohnbaum
2003-01-14 21:56                         ` [Lse-tech] " Michael Hohnbaum
2003-01-15 15:10                         ` Erich Focht
2003-01-16  0:14                           ` Michael Hohnbaum
2003-01-16  6:05                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-16 16:47                             ` Erich Focht
2003-01-16 18:07                               ` Robert Love
2003-01-16 18:48                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-16 19:07                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2003-01-16 18:59                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-16 19:10                                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-01-16 19:44                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2003-01-16 19:43                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-16 20:19                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2003-01-16 20:29                                           ` [Lse-tech] " Rick Lindsley
2003-01-16 23:31                                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-17  7:23                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2003-01-17  8:47                                             ` [patch] sched-2.5.59-A2 Ingo Molnar
2003-01-17 14:35                                               ` Erich Focht
2003-01-17 15:11                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2003-01-17 15:30                                                   ` Erich Focht
2003-01-17 16:58                                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-18 20:54                                                     ` NUMA sched -> pooling scheduler (inc HT) Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-18 21:34                                                       ` [Lse-tech] " Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-19  0:13                                                         ` Andrew Theurer
2003-01-17 18:19                                                   ` [patch] sched-2.5.59-A2 Michael Hohnbaum
2003-01-18  7:08                                                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-01-18  8:12                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-18  8:16                                                       ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-01-19  4:22                                                     ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-01-17 17:21                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-17 17:23                                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-17 18:11                                                 ` Erich Focht
2003-01-17 19:04                                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-17 19:26                                                     ` [Lse-tech] " Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-18  0:13                                                       ` Michael Hohnbaum
2003-01-18 13:31                                                         ` [patch] tunable rebalance rates for sched-2.5.59-B0 Erich Focht
2003-01-18 23:09                                                         ` [patch] sched-2.5.59-A2 Erich Focht
2003-01-20  9:28                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2003-01-20 12:07                                                             ` Erich Focht
2003-01-20 16:56                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2003-01-20 17:04                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2003-01-20 17:10                                                                   ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-20 17:24                                                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2003-01-20 19:13                                                                       ` Andrew Theurer
2003-01-20 19:33                                                                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-20 19:52                                                                           ` Andrew Theurer
2003-01-20 19:52                                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-20 21:18                                                                               ` [patch] HT scheduler, sched-2.5.59-D7 Ingo Molnar
2003-01-20 22:28                                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2003-01-21  1:11                                                                                   ` Michael Hohnbaum
2003-01-22  3:15                                                                                 ` Michael Hohnbaum
2003-01-22 16:41                                                                                   ` Andrew Theurer
2003-01-22 16:17                                                                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-22 16:20                                                                                       ` Andrew Theurer
2003-01-22 16:35                                                                                     ` Michael Hohnbaum
2003-02-03 18:23                                                                                 ` [patch] HT scheduler, sched-2.5.59-E2 Ingo Molnar
2003-02-03 20:47                                                                                   ` Robert Love
2003-02-04  9:31                                                                                   ` Erich Focht
2003-01-20 17:04                                                                 ` [patch] sched-2.5.59-A2 Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-21 17:44                                                                 ` Erich Focht
2003-01-20 16:23                                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-20 16:59                                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2003-01-17 23:09                                                     ` Matthew Dobson
2003-01-16 23:45                                           ` [PATCH 2.5.58] new NUMA scheduler: fix Michael Hohnbaum
2003-01-17 11:10                                           ` Erich Focht
2003-01-17 14:07                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2003-01-16 19:44                                       ` John Bradford
2003-01-14 16:51                     ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-01-15  0:05                     ` Michael Hohnbaum
2003-01-15  7:47                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-14  5:50             ` [Lse-tech] Re: NUMA scheduler 2nd approach Michael Hohnbaum
2003-01-14 16:52               ` Andrew Theurer
2003-01-14 15:13                 ` Erich Focht
2003-01-14 10:56           ` Erich Focht
2003-01-11 14:43     ` [Lse-tech] Minature NUMA scheduler Bill Davidsen
2003-01-12 23:24       ` Erich Focht

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