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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Keith Busch <kbusch@kernel.org>, Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>
Cc: Maximilian Heyne <mheyne@amazon.de>, Amit Shah <aams@amazon.de>,
	Keith Busch <keith.busch@intel.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@fb.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
	James Smart <james.smart@broadcom.com>,
	linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] Adding per-controller timeout support to nvme
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 22:30:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <983e5d039dce9de1d32c71d28fd59bbc01c3fee5.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190424200706.GB15412@localhost.localdomain>

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On Wed, 2019-04-24 at 14:07 -0600, Keith Busch wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 09:55:16AM -0700, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
> > 
> > > As different nvme controllers are connect via different fabrics, some require
> > > different timeout settings than others. This series implements per-controller
> > > timeouts in the nvme subsystem which can be set via sysfs.
> > 
> > How much of a real issue is this?
> > 
> > block io_timeout defaults to 30 seconds which are considered a universal
> > eternity for pretty much any nvme fabric. Moreover, io_timeout is
> > mutable already on a per-namespace level.
> > 
> > This leaves the admin_timeout which goes beyond this to 60 seconds...
> > 
> > Can you describe what exactly are you trying to solve?
> 
> I think they must have an nvme target that is backed by slow media
> (i.e. non-SSD). If that's the case, I think it may be a better option
> if the target advertises relatively shallow queue depths and/or lower
> MDTS that better aligns to the backing storage capabilies.

It isn't that the media is slow; the max timeout is based on the SLA
for certain classes of "fabric" outages. Linux copes *really* badly
with I/O errors, and if we can make the timeout last long enough to
cover the switch restart worst case, then users are a lot happier.


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  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-24 20:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-03 12:35 [PATCH v2 0/2] Adding per-controller timeout support to nvme Maximilian Heyne
2019-04-03 12:35 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] nvme: add per-controller io and admin timeouts Maximilian Heyne
2019-04-03 12:35 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] nvme: add sysfs controls for " Maximilian Heyne
2019-04-09 10:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-04-24 16:55 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] Adding per-controller timeout support to nvme Sagi Grimberg
2019-04-24 20:07   ` Keith Busch
2019-04-24 20:30     ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2019-04-24 20:44       ` Keith Busch
2019-04-24 20:58       ` Sagi Grimberg
2019-04-25  5:45         ` David Woodhouse

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