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From: Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>
To: Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, riel@conectiva.com.br
Subject: Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)
Date: 18 Aug 2001 23:12:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <998190772.8307.8.camel@phantasy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0108181839130.31188-100000@waste.org>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0108181839130.31188-100000@waste.org>

On 18 Aug 2001 18:41:30 -0500, Oliver Xymoron wrote:
> Why don't those who aren't worried about whether they _really_ have enough
> entropy simply use /dev/urandom?

because there still is no entropy.  /dev/urandom and /dev/random are
from the same source - /dev/random will just block if the entropy count
drops to 0.  note that entropy != bytes in pool.  the "entropy" is an
estimate of the randomness of the pool.  it decrements as bytes are
pulled from the pool.  the byte count does not, thus the pool is not
empty when /dev/random blocks, it just has no "entropy".

on a diskless/headless system, there are no devices to feed the entropy
pool.  thus this patch, which is a lifesaver for some, as Rik pointed
out.

or maybe you are like me, and on a personal LAN or dont care about
external attackers trying to guess your /dev/random, and just want
another source of entropy to boost your self-esteem.

i would like to see this in the mainline kernel. i posted a 2.4.8-pre
patch early, i will rediff for 2.4.9 asap.

fyi, i am considering rewriting the patch. Alex Bligh and I had a
discussion where he suggested a sysctl/proc interface to toggle the
option. this would add post-compile code to the kernel, but allow
greater flexibility.  

-- 
Robert M. Love
rml at ufl.edu
rml at tech9.net


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-19  3:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-16  4:36 [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:40 ` [PATCH] 2.4.9-pre4: Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:42 ` [PATCH] 2.4.9-pre4: Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy (2/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:43 ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-ac5: let Net Devices feed Entropy (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:44 ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-ac5: let Net Devices feed Entropy (2/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  8:50 ` [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Francois Romieu
2001-08-16 14:50   ` Robert Love
2001-08-16 17:02     ` Francois Romieu
2001-08-16 19:28       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-16 20:19         ` D. Stimits
2001-08-17  0:47           ` Robert Love
2001-08-17 22:56             ` D. Stimits
2001-08-18  5:57               ` Robert Love
2001-08-18 17:44                 ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-18 23:41                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  0:38                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19  3:33                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  3:49                         ` Robert Love
2001-08-21  7:17                         ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2001-08-19 18:46                       ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19  3:12                     ` Robert Love [this message]
2001-08-19  3:36                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  3:41                         ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19  3:57                           ` Robert Love
2001-08-19  3:56                         ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 14:43                           ` lists
2001-08-19 21:34                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:08                               ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' [was Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)] Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:18                                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:30                                 ` David Schwartz
2001-08-19 22:38                                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:46                                     ` David Schwartz
2001-08-20 13:25                                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 19:48                                         ` David Schwartz
2001-08-21  8:50                                           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21  7:49                                             ` David Lang
2001-08-21  9:21                                               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 10:06                                                 ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' (better timing in random.c) Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-21 18:31                                               ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' [was Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)] David Wagner
2001-08-21 21:53                                                 ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 18:29                                             ` David Wagner
2001-08-21 21:50                                               ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 21:57                                                 ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 17:08                           ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 18:02                             ` David Madore
2001-08-19 23:47                             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 21:19                           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:24                             ` David Ford
2001-08-20 10:02                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 10:34                             ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 10:47                               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 13:07                                 ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 13:57                                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 14:25                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21  1:11                                     ` Theodore Tso
2001-08-21  1:36                                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21  9:43                                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21  9:59                                           ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-21 17:19                                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21 18:33                                           ` David Wagner
2001-08-21  4:33                                       ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:15                                 ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:36                               ` Robert Love
2001-08-22  6:10                           ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-22  6:26                             ` Robert Love
2001-08-22 17:27                               ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-22  8:54                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-22 13:47                             ` Chris Friesen
2001-08-19 20:58                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:19                       ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19 22:29                         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20  2:26                           ` Mike Castle
2001-08-20 23:08                             ` Tom Rini
2001-08-17  0:47         ` [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Robert Love
2001-08-17 14:34           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-17  0:47       ` Robert Love
2001-08-17  9:05         ` Francois Romieu
2001-08-17 15:00           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
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2001-08-21  2:14         ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Andi Kleen
2001-08-21  3:02           ` Paul Jakma
2001-08-21  3:12             ` Andi Kleen
2001-08-21  3:16             ` David Schwartz
2001-08-21 13:34               ` Paul Jakma
2001-08-21 18:38           ` David Wagner

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