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From: Robert Love <rml@tech9.net>
To: Johan Adolfsson <johan.adolfsson@axis.com>
Cc: Martin Dalecki <dalecki@evision-ventures.com>,
	Oliver Xymoron <oxymoron@waste.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, riel@conectiva.com.br
Subject: Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)
Date: 20 Aug 2001 12:36:52 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <998325471.2936.25.camel@phantasy> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <21a701c12963$bcb05b60$0a070d0a@axis.se>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0108182234250.31188-100000@waste.org> <998193404.653.12.camel@phantasy> <3B80E01B.2C61FF8@evision-ventures.com>  <21a701c12963$bcb05b60$0a070d0a@axis.se>

On 20 Aug 2001 12:34:48 +0200, Johan Adolfsson wrote:
> And I think you are wrong, this patch is needed.
> Keep up the good work Robert!

I will -- thank you for the words. :)

> Where would you get the single seed from in an embedded head
> less system if you don't have a hardware random generator,
> no disk and don't seed it from the network interrupts?

exactly.  this thread has gone off on a tangent arguing the very merits
of /dev/random itself.  obviously if you dislike the kernel's entropy
gatherer, this patch won't sit well either.

the proper argument is, assuming that /dev/random is A Good Thing, is
this patch useful?  since its configurable, its not forcing any policy.
since it can be argued pretty strongly that more entropy is needed on a
headless and/or diskless, I think some people need it.  personally, it
boosts my self-esteem to have another source of entropy (my 3c905).  if
you are worried of the threats net devices have to your entropy, by all
means -- dont enable the config setting.

> I think the patch makes sense - let people have the config option.

hopefully we can get the patch merged, if for nothing else for 2.5.

-- 
Robert M. Love
rml at ufl.edu
rml at tech9.net


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-20 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-16  4:36 [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:40 ` [PATCH] 2.4.9-pre4: Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:42 ` [PATCH] 2.4.9-pre4: Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy (2/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:43 ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-ac5: let Net Devices feed Entropy (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  4:44 ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-ac5: let Net Devices feed Entropy (2/2) Robert Love
2001-08-16  8:50 ` [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Francois Romieu
2001-08-16 14:50   ` Robert Love
2001-08-16 17:02     ` Francois Romieu
2001-08-16 19:28       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-16 20:19         ` D. Stimits
2001-08-17  0:47           ` Robert Love
2001-08-17 22:56             ` D. Stimits
2001-08-18  5:57               ` Robert Love
2001-08-18 17:44                 ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-18 23:41                   ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  0:38                     ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19  3:33                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  3:49                         ` Robert Love
2001-08-21  7:17                         ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2001-08-19 18:46                       ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19  3:12                     ` Robert Love
2001-08-19  3:36                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  3:41                         ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19  3:57                           ` Robert Love
2001-08-19  3:56                         ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 14:43                           ` lists
2001-08-19 21:34                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:08                               ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' [was Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)] Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:18                                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:30                                 ` David Schwartz
2001-08-19 22:38                                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:46                                     ` David Schwartz
2001-08-20 13:25                                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 19:48                                         ` David Schwartz
2001-08-21  8:50                                           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21  7:49                                             ` David Lang
2001-08-21  9:21                                               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 10:06                                                 ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' (better timing in random.c) Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-21 18:31                                               ` Entropy from net devices - keyboard & IDE just as 'bad' [was Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)] David Wagner
2001-08-21 21:53                                                 ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 18:29                                             ` David Wagner
2001-08-21 21:50                                               ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 21:57                                                 ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 17:08                           ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 18:02                             ` David Madore
2001-08-19 23:47                             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 21:19                           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:24                             ` David Ford
2001-08-20 10:02                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 10:34                             ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 10:47                               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 13:07                                 ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 13:57                                 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 14:25                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21  1:11                                     ` Theodore Tso
2001-08-21  1:36                                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21  9:43                                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21  9:59                                           ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-21 17:19                                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21 18:33                                           ` David Wagner
2001-08-21  4:33                                       ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:15                                 ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:36                               ` Robert Love [this message]
2001-08-22  6:10                           ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-22  6:26                             ` Robert Love
2001-08-22 17:27                               ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-22  8:54                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-22 13:47                             ` Chris Friesen
2001-08-19 20:58                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:19                       ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19 22:29                         ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20  2:26                           ` Mike Castle
2001-08-20 23:08                             ` Tom Rini
2001-08-17  0:47         ` [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Robert Love
2001-08-17 14:34           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-17  0:47       ` Robert Love
2001-08-17  9:05         ` Francois Romieu
2001-08-17 15:00           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
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2001-08-21  2:14         ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Andi Kleen
2001-08-21  3:02           ` Paul Jakma
2001-08-21  3:12             ` Andi Kleen
2001-08-21  3:16             ` David Schwartz
2001-08-21 13:34               ` Paul Jakma
2001-08-21 18:38           ` David Wagner

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