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From: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
To: "Ilpo Järvinen" <ilpo.jarvinen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: fenghua.yu@intel.com, shuah@kernel.org, tony.luck@intel.com,
	peternewman@google.com, babu.moger@amd.com,
	"Maciej Wieczór-Retman" <maciej.wieczor-retman@intel.com>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/6] selftests/resctrl: Do not compare performance counters and resctrl at low bandwidth
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2024 14:15:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9b2da518-89ce-4f9b-92f2-d317ed892886@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <238af9fe-0d7b-9bc1-9923-35ef74aad360@linux.intel.com>

Hi Ilpo,

On 9/4/24 4:43 AM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Aug 2024, Reinette Chatre wrote:
>> On 8/30/24 4:42 AM, Ilpo Järvinen wrote:
>>> On Thu, 29 Aug 2024, Reinette Chatre wrote:
>>>
>>>> The MBA test incrementally throttles memory bandwidth, each time
>>>> followed by a comparison between the memory bandwidth observed
>>>> by the performance counters and resctrl respectively.
>>>>
>>>> While a comparison between performance counters and resctrl is
>>>> generally appropriate, they do not have an identical view of
>>>> memory bandwidth. For example RAS features or memory performance
>>>> features that generate memory traffic may drive accesses that are
>>>> counted differently by performance counters and MBM respectively,
>>>> for instance generating "overhead" traffic which is not counted
>>>> against any specific RMID. As a ratio, this different view of memory
>>>> bandwidth becomes more apparent at low memory bandwidths.
>>>
>>> Interesting.
>>>
>>> I did some time back prototype with a change to MBM test such that instead
>>> of using once=false I changed fill_buf to be able to run N passes through
>>> the buffer which allowed me to know how many reads were performed by the
>>> benchmark. This yielded numerical difference between all those 3 values
>>> (# of reads, MBM, perf) which also varied from arch to another so it
>>> didn't end up making an usable test.
>>>
>>> I guess I now have an explanation for at least a part of the differences.
>>>
>>>> It is not practical to enable/disable the various features that
>>>> may generate memory bandwidth to give performance counters and
>>>> resctrl an identical view. Instead, do not compare performance
>>>> counters and resctrl view of memory bandwidth when the memory
>>>> bandwidth is low.
>>>>
>>>> Bandwidth throttling behaves differently across platforms
>>>> so it is not appropriate to drop measurement data simply based
>>>> on the throttling level. Instead, use a threshold of 750MiB
>>>> that has been observed to support adequate comparison between
>>>> performance counters and resctrl.
>>>>
>>>> Signed-off-by: Reinette Chatre <reinette.chatre@intel.com>
>>>> ---
>>>>    tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/mba_test.c | 7 +++++++
>>>>    tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/resctrl.h  | 6 ++++++
>>>>    2 files changed, 13 insertions(+)
>>>>
>>>> diff --git a/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/mba_test.c
>>>> b/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/mba_test.c
>>>> index cad473b81a64..204b9ac4b108 100644
>>>> --- a/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/mba_test.c
>>>> +++ b/tools/testing/selftests/resctrl/mba_test.c
>>>> @@ -96,6 +96,13 @@ static bool show_mba_info(unsigned long *bw_imc,
>>>> unsigned long *bw_resc)
>>>>      		avg_bw_imc = sum_bw_imc / (NUM_OF_RUNS - 1);
>>>>    		avg_bw_resc = sum_bw_resc / (NUM_OF_RUNS - 1);
>>>> +		if (avg_bw_imc < THROTTLE_THRESHOLD || avg_bw_resc <
>>>> THROTTLE_THRESHOLD) {
>>>> +			ksft_print_msg("Bandwidth below threshold (%d MiB).
>>>> Dropping results from MBA schemata %u.\n",
>>>> +					THROTTLE_THRESHOLD,
>>>> +					ALLOCATION_MAX - ALLOCATION_STEP *
>>>> allocation);
>>>
>>> The second one too should be %d.
>>>
>>
>> hmmm ... I intended to have it be consistent with the ksft_print_msg() that
>> follows. Perhaps allocation can be made unsigned instead?
> 
> If you go that way, then it would be good to make the related defines and
> allocation in mba_setup() unsigned too, although the latter is a bit scary

Sure, will look into that.

> because it does allocation -= ALLOCATION_STEP which could underflow if the
> defines are ever changed.
> 

Is this not already covered in the following check:
	if (allocation < ALLOCATION_MIN || allocation > ALLOCATION_MAX)
		return END_OF_TESTS;

We are talking about hardcoded constants though.

Reinette


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-04 21:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-29 22:52 [PATCH 0/6] selftests/resctrl: Support diverse platforms with MBM and MBA tests Reinette Chatre
2024-08-29 22:52 ` [PATCH 1/6] selftests/resctrl: Fix sparse warnings Reinette Chatre
2024-08-30 10:29   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-29 22:52 ` [PATCH 2/6] selftests/resctrl: Ensure measurements skip initialization of default benchmark Reinette Chatre
2024-08-30 10:56   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-30 16:00     ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-04 11:57       ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-09-04 21:15         ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-05 12:10           ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-09-05 18:08             ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-06 10:00               ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-09-07  0:05                 ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-09 12:52                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-29 22:52 ` [PATCH 3/6] selftests/resctrl: Simplify benchmark parameter passing Reinette Chatre
2024-08-30 11:13   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-30 16:01     ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-29 22:52 ` [PATCH 4/6] selftests/resctrl: Use cache size to determine "fill_buf" buffer size Reinette Chatre
2024-08-30 11:25   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-30 16:00     ` Reinette Chatre
2024-08-29 22:52 ` [PATCH 5/6] selftests/resctrl: Do not compare performance counters and resctrl at low bandwidth Reinette Chatre
2024-08-30 11:42   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-30 16:00     ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-04 11:43       ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-09-04 21:15         ` Reinette Chatre [this message]
2024-09-05 11:45           ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-09-05 18:08             ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-06  8:44               ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-09-07  0:05                 ` Reinette Chatre
2024-09-09  8:13                   ` Ilpo Järvinen
2024-08-29 22:52 ` [PATCH 6/6] selftests/resctrl: Keep results from first test run Reinette Chatre

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