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From: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
To: Anshuman Khandual <anshuman.khandual@arm.com>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>, Dev Jain <dev.jain@arm.com>,
	Alexandre Ghiti <alexghiti@rivosinc.com>,
	Steve Capper <steve.capper@linaro.org>,
	Kevin Brodsky <kevin.brodsky@arm.com>
Cc: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 16/16] arm64/mm: Defer barriers when updating kernel mappings
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 09:40:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9c7929f4-d024-4919-9b38-8cae05cc6fcf@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <77dfb8ae-2a57-4d76-a3d2-8a486dd9721b@arm.com>

On 17/02/2025 04:48, Anshuman Khandual wrote:
> 
> 
> On 2/13/25 15:08, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>> On 13/02/2025 05:30, Anshuman Khandual wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/10/25 16:42, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>>>> On 10/02/2025 08:03, Anshuman Khandual wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/5/25 20:39, Ryan Roberts wrote:
>>>>>> Because the kernel can't tolerate page faults for kernel mappings, when
>>>>>> setting a valid, kernel space pte (or pmd/pud/p4d/pgd), it emits a
>>>>>> dsb(ishst) to ensure that the store to the pgtable is observed by the
>>>>>> table walker immediately. Additionally it emits an isb() to ensure that
>>>>>> any already speculatively determined invalid mapping fault gets
>>>>>> canceled.> 
>>>>>> We can improve the performance of vmalloc operations by batching these
>>>>>> barriers until the end of a set up entry updates. The newly added
>>>>>> arch_update_kernel_mappings_begin() / arch_update_kernel_mappings_end()
>>>>>> provide the required hooks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> vmalloc improves by up to 30% as a result.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two new TIF_ flags are created; TIF_KMAP_UPDATE_ACTIVE tells us if we
>>>>>> are in the batch mode and can therefore defer any barriers until the end
>>>>>> of the batch. TIF_KMAP_UPDATE_PENDING tells us if barriers are queued to
>>>>>> be emited at the end of the batch.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why cannot this be achieved with a single TIF_KMAP_UPDATE_ACTIVE which is
>>>>> set in __begin(), cleared in __end() and saved across a __switch_to().
>>>>
>>>> So unconditionally emit the barriers in _end(), and emit them in __switch_to()
>>>> if TIF_KMAP_UPDATE_ACTIVE is set?
>>>
>>> Right.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess if calling _begin() then you are definitely going to be setting at least
>>>> 1 PTE. So you can definitely emit the barriers unconditionally. I was trying to
>>>> protect against the case where you get pre-empted (potentially multiple times)
>>>> while in the loop. The TIF_KMAP_UPDATE_PENDING flag ensures you only emit the
>>>> barriers when you definitely need to. Without it, you would have to emit on
>>>> every pre-emption even if no more PTEs got set.
>>>>
>>>> But I suspect this is a premature optimization. Probably it will never occur. So
>>>
>>> Agreed.
>>
>> Having done this simplification, I've just noticed that one of the
>> arch_update_kernel_mappings_begin/end callsites is __apply_to_page_range() which
>> gets called for user space mappings as well as kernel mappings. So actually with
>> the simplification I'll be emitting barriers even when only user space mappings
>> were touched.
> 
> Right, that will not be desirable.
> 
>>
>> I think there are a couple of options to fix this:
>>
>> - Revert to the 2 flag approach. For the user space case, I'll get to _end() and
>> notice that no barriers are queued so will emit nothing.
>>
>> - Only set TIF_KMAP_UPDATE_ACTIVE if the address range passed to _begin() is a
>> kernel address range. I guess that's just a case of checking if the MSB is set
>> in "end"?
>>
>> - pass mm to _begin() and only set TIF_KMAP_UPDATE_ACTIVE if mm == &init_mm. I
>> guess this should be the same as option 2.
>>
>> I'm leaning towards option 2. But I have a niggling feeling that my proposed
>> check isn't quite correct. What do you think?
> 
> Option 2 and 3 looks better than the two flags approach proposed earlier. But is
> not option 3 bit more simplistic than option 2 ? Does getting struct mm argument
> into these function create more code churn ?

Actually looking at this again, I think the best thing is that when called in
the context of __apply_to_page_range(), we will only call
arch_update_kernel_mappings_[begin|end]() if mm == &init_mm. The function is
explicitly for "kernel mappings" so it doesn't make sense to call it for user
mappings.

Looking at the current implementations of arch_sync_kernel_mappings() they are
filtering on kernel addresses anyway, so this should be safe.

Thanks,
Ryan



  reply	other threads:[~2025-02-17  9:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-02-05 15:09 [PATCH v1 00/16] hugetlb and vmalloc fixes and perf improvements Ryan Roberts
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 01/16] mm: hugetlb: Add huge page size param to huge_ptep_get_and_clear() Ryan Roberts
2025-02-06  5:03   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-06 12:15     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 02/16] arm64: hugetlb: Fix huge_ptep_get_and_clear() for non-present ptes Ryan Roberts
2025-02-06  6:15   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-06 12:55     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-12 14:44       ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 03/16] arm64: hugetlb: Fix flush_hugetlb_tlb_range() invalidation level Ryan Roberts
2025-02-06  6:46   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-06 13:04     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-13  4:57       ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 04/16] arm64: hugetlb: Refine tlb maintenance scope Ryan Roberts
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 05/16] mm/page_table_check: Batch-check pmds/puds just like ptes Ryan Roberts
2025-02-06 10:55   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-06 13:07     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 06/16] arm64/mm: Refactor __set_ptes() and __ptep_get_and_clear() Ryan Roberts
2025-02-06 11:48   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-06 13:26     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-07  9:38       ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-12 15:29         ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 07/16] arm64: hugetlb: Use ___set_ptes() and ___ptep_get_and_clear() Ryan Roberts
2025-02-07  4:09   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-07 10:00     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 08/16] arm64/mm: Hoist barriers out of ___set_ptes() loop Ryan Roberts
2025-02-07  5:35   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-07 10:38     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-12 16:00       ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 09/16] arm64/mm: Avoid barriers for invalid or userspace mappings Ryan Roberts
2025-02-07  8:11   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-07 10:53     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-12 16:48       ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 10/16] mm/vmalloc: Warn on improper use of vunmap_range() Ryan Roberts
2025-02-07  8:41   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-07 10:59     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-13  6:36       ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 11/16] mm/vmalloc: Gracefully unmap huge ptes Ryan Roberts
2025-02-07  9:19   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 12/16] arm64/mm: Support huge pte-mapped pages in vmap Ryan Roberts
2025-02-07 10:04   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-07 11:20     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-13  6:32       ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-13  9:09         ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-17  4:33           ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 13/16] mm: Don't skip arch_sync_kernel_mappings() in error paths Ryan Roberts
2025-02-07 10:21   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 14/16] mm/vmalloc: Batch arch_sync_kernel_mappings() more efficiently Ryan Roberts
2025-02-10  7:11   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 15/16] mm: Generalize arch_sync_kernel_mappings() Ryan Roberts
2025-02-10  7:45   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-10 11:04     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-13  5:57       ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-13  9:17         ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-05 15:09 ` [PATCH v1 16/16] arm64/mm: Defer barriers when updating kernel mappings Ryan Roberts
2025-02-10  8:03   ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-10 11:12     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-13  5:30       ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-13  9:38         ` Ryan Roberts
2025-02-17  4:48           ` Anshuman Khandual
2025-02-17  9:40             ` Ryan Roberts [this message]
2025-02-06  7:52 ` [PATCH v1 00/16] hugetlb and vmalloc fixes and perf improvements Andrew Morton
2025-02-06 11:59   ` Ryan Roberts

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