From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S964896AbWGHRBd (ORCPT ); Sat, 8 Jul 2006 13:01:33 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S964901AbWGHRBc (ORCPT ); Sat, 8 Jul 2006 13:01:32 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.168]:53181 "EHLO ug-out-1314.google.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S964896AbWGHRBc (ORCPT ); Sat, 8 Jul 2006 13:01:32 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=Hr9TaArTX7MYJMBXG18yCReqtZoUuwrkwJaihv/Feoh1IojifpZaA4/Jli05pOG1URv/WOr3tKbpuYaTLo0/d2nv5V9vNTUir53Re8YlExo9dHwOrjtkemNm4lXhf0pE+fvFU8JuiL0UD8BWQ4dG7mp+csFz8ZsN9RHTJvwgyVE= Message-ID: <9e0cf0bf0607081001x6ccbd080sbe64118965d90838@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:01:30 +0300 From: "Alon Bar-Lev" To: "Arjan van de Ven" Subject: Re: [Suspend2-devel] Re: uswsusp history lesson Cc: "Olivier Galibert" , "Pavel Machek" , "Avuton Olrich" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "Jan Rychter" , suspend2-devel@lists.suspend2.net, grundig , "Nigel Cunningham" In-Reply-To: <1152377246.3120.65.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060627133321.GB3019@elf.ucw.cz> <20060707215656.GA30353@dspnet.fr.eu.org> <20060707232523.GC1746@elf.ucw.cz> <200607080933.12372.ncunningham@linuxmail.org> <20060708002826.GD1700@elf.ucw.cz> <1152353698.2555.11.camel@coyote.rexursive.com> <1152355318.3120.26.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> <20060708164312.GA36499@dspnet.fr.eu.org> <1152377246.3120.65.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 7/8/06, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > Just take the alsa/OSS case. It's taken Adrian Bunk a LOT of effort to > get people to report bugs against alsa; unless you threaten to remove > the other driver they just won't and switch to the other driver. On the > one hand, that is choice. On the other, it's BAD. The user experience is > BAD. It means we end up with 2 half arsed cases (since the OSS driver > doesn't do other things) instead of one quite good one. Well... OSS->swsusp ALSA->Suspend2 Merge them both, and see which wins. Anyway... Unlike the ALSA case, people opens bugs on suspen2 (The new system) and not on swsusp, since Nigel is much more receptive, and because of the large user community suspend2 works much better. Pavel and Refael beg people to open bugs agains swsusp/uswsusp... But people prefers to solve issues of the out-of-kernel solution... The process is as follows: Try swsusp->It does not work/Not suited->Try suspend2->Works/does not->Get support from suspend2->Suspend2 works->Suspend2 better->User happy. Best Regards, Alon Bar-Lev.