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From: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
To: Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@redhat.com>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>, Stelian Pop <stelian@popies.net>,
	Francois Romieu <romieu@fr.zoreil.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Linux Kernel Subversion Howto
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 11:13:23 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9e473391050211081338f9d84e@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <or1xbn6rn5.fsf@livre.redhat.lsd.ic.unicamp.br>

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 07:39:47 -0800 (PST), Alexandre Oliva
<aoliva@redhat.com> wrote:
> The bit I don't understand is that you've claimed you'd be willing to
> implement the code needed to export the additional information that
> Roman, myself and probably many others would like to have, if someone
> would pay for that, but you're not willing to grant him access to this
> information such that he can write the code himself.  How come you
> wouldn't welcome a BK-export piece of software that you could use
> yourself to create and maintain the CVS tree, without having to
> develop and maintain the software, and insist on developing such
> software yourself, but only if someone else pays for it?

Think about it from Larry's side for a minute. BK is a proprietary
piece of software, it is not open source.  That means that anyone who
works on it needs to be an employee or contractor of Bitmover and have
signed all of the appropriate non-disclosure and non-compete
documents.  These documents exist at all proprietary software
companies, they are not specific to Bitmover. None of you guys are
willing to sign those documents.

It's not Larry choosing not to have you do the work, you are self
selecting not to do it because you won't sign the contracts. Larry
also has to be reasonably confident that if you do sign you won't
violate them.

The conclusion is that someone else who is willing to sign the
documents has to do the work. That person needs to be hired and paid.
It is unreasonable to ask Larry to add features like you want on his
own dime.

There is a solution on the table:
1) Written proposal describing in detail the commands you want added to bk
2) Submit it for a quote.
3) Raise the money 
4) Negotiate for exact delivery dates.

Since no one has bothered to put together a real proposal, I can only
conclude that you are more interested in writing email complaints than
actually achieving a solution.

-- 
Jon Smirl
jonsmirl@gmail.com

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-02-11 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-02-02 15:54 [RFC] Linux Kernel Subversion Howto Stelian Pop
2005-02-02 16:15 ` Lethalman
2005-02-02 16:37   ` Lethalman
2005-02-03 10:34   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-02 21:47 ` Daniele Venzano
2005-02-03 10:45   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 20:04     ` Daniele Venzano
2005-02-04 20:52     ` Olaf Dietsche
2005-02-09  5:19       ` Kevin Puetz
2005-02-09  8:58         ` Miles Bader
2005-02-09 13:44           ` David Roundy
2005-02-03  0:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-02-03 10:24   ` Stelian Pop
     [not found] ` <200502030028.j130SNU9004640@terminus.zytor.com>
2005-02-03  3:34   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-03 16:45     ` H. Peter Anvin
2005-02-03 19:32     ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-03 20:20       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-03 22:00         ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-03 22:28           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 13:01             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 16:06               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 16:22                 ` Roland Dreier
2005-02-04 21:53                   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 17:03                 ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 18:39                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 20:05                     ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 20:11                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-04 21:40                         ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 23:31                           ` Francois Romieu
2005-02-05 19:38                             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-05 23:38                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 15:43                                 ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-08 15:58                                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 17:17                                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 18:16                                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 18:52                                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  0:07                                           ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-02-09  2:05                                             ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  2:24                                               ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09  2:35                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  2:39                                                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-09  2:47                                                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  3:40                                                       ` Larry McVoy
     [not found]                                                         ` <Pine.LNX.4.61.0502091128070.7836@localhost.localdomain>
2005-02-09 17:38                                                           ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09 18:24                                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-02-09 18:48                                                               ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09 23:31                                                                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09 23:52                                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09 23:22                                                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-10  0:13                                                           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-10 19:34                                                           ` d.c
2005-02-11  8:40                                                             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-09  2:40                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09  2:57                                                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-09  3:03                                                       ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-09  5:48                                                       ` Gene Heskett
2005-02-09  9:05                                                         ` Miles Bader
2005-02-09  7:06                                     ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-09 14:48                                       ` d.c
2005-02-09 15:51                                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-09 17:30                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-02-09 17:44                                           ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-02-10  5:44                                           ` Horst von Brand
2005-02-10  9:36                                         ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-10 21:17                                           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11  9:02                                             ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-11 15:30                                             ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-11 15:48                                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11 16:18                                                 ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11 16:54                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-11 16:13                                               ` Jon Smirl [this message]
2005-02-11 17:22                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-11 20:00                                                   ` Larry McVoy
     [not found]                                           ` <20050210222403.GA5920@thunk.org>
     [not found]                                             ` <or650z6syt.fsf@livre.redhat.lsd.ic.unicamp.br>
2005-02-11 15:53                                               ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-11 17:24                                                 ` Alexandre Oliva
2005-02-10  5:47                                     ` James Bruce
2005-02-06 16:40                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-06 17:39                   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-07  1:45                     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-07  2:10                       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 14:57                         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 15:19                           ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 15:24                           ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-08 15:47                             ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-08 15:36                           ` Catalin Marinas
2005-02-08 15:58                           ` Jon Smirl
2005-02-08 16:15                             ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 17:17                               ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-02-08 17:23                                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-08 17:01                             ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-07  2:16                       ` Al Viro
2005-02-04 10:18 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2005-02-04 10:59   ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-04 11:08     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2005-02-04 11:20       ` Stelian Pop
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-02-09 18:46 Larry McVoy
2005-02-09 20:13 ` Nicolas Pitre
2005-02-09 23:53   ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-10  0:14     ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-10  0:50       ` Larry McVoy
2005-02-10  9:52         ` Roman Zippel
2005-02-10 10:11           ` linux
2005-02-10  6:08       ` James Bruce
2005-02-10 15:14         ` Stelian Pop
2005-02-10 16:42 Steve Lee
2005-02-10 19:23 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-02-10 19:50   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-02-11 18:56 none given
2005-02-11 19:50 ` Larry McVoy
     [not found] <fa.hd724f5.h36q2j@ifi.uio.no>
2011-08-18 19:08 ` lucasrangit
2011-08-18 19:22   ` Randy Dunlap

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