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From: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
To: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
Cc: Oliver Neukum <oliver@neukum.org>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Mitchell Blank Jr <mitch@sfgoth.com>,
	dtor_core@ameritech.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] driver core: Add the ability to unbind drivers to devices from userspace
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 09:32:45 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9e47339105080506325d93f431@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20020101075339.GA467@openzaurus.ucw.cz>

On 1/1/02, Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> > > > New, simplified version of the sysfs whitespace strip patch...
> > >
> > > Could you tell me why you don't just fail the operation if malformed
> > > input is supplied?
> >
> > Leading/trailing white space should be allowed. For example echo
> > appends '\n' unless you know to use -n. It is easier to fix the kernel
> > than to teach everyone to use -n.
> 
> Please, NO! echo -n is the right thing to do, and users will eventually learn.
> We are not going to add such workarounds all over the kernel...

It is not a work around. These are text attributes meant for human
use.  Humans have a hard time cleaning up things they can't see. And
the failure mode for this is awful, your attribute won't set but
everything on the screen looks fine.

echo is not the only source of problems. I had some trailing
whitespace in a shell script and it took me a couple of hours to
discover why the attribute set was failing. I finally had to add debug
code to the kernel and reboot to located the problem. Normal users are
never going to figure this out.

Binary attributes are for program use, they should not get cleaned up.
If you dont want the whitespace cleaning switch to a binary one.

>                                 Pavel
> --
> 64 bytes from 195.113.31.123: icmp_seq=28 ttl=51 time=448769.1 ms
> 
> 


-- 
Jon Smirl
jonsmirl@gmail.com

  reply	other threads:[~2005-08-05 13:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-07-25  4:09 [PATCH] driver core: Add the ability to unbind drivers to devices from userspace Jon Smirl
2005-07-25  4:58 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-07-25 14:28   ` Jon Smirl
2005-07-25 14:48     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-07-25 16:30       ` Jon Smirl
2005-07-26  0:00         ` Greg KH
2005-07-26  0:28           ` Jon Smirl
2005-07-26  0:30             ` Greg KH
2005-07-26  0:56               ` Jon Smirl
2005-07-26  1:54                 ` Greg KH
2005-07-26  3:15                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-07-26  3:29                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-07-28  2:05                     ` Jon Smirl
2005-07-28  3:46                       ` Greg KH
2005-07-28  3:59                         ` Jon Smirl
2005-07-28  4:05                           ` Greg KH
2005-07-28  4:49                             ` Jon Smirl
2005-07-28  5:49                               ` Greg KH
2005-07-28  7:04                                 ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2005-07-28 12:54                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-07-28 13:09                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2005-07-28 13:16                                     ` Paulo Marques
2005-07-28 18:09                                     ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2005-07-28 19:03                                     ` Greg KH
2005-07-28 19:57                                       ` Jon Smirl
2005-07-28 20:22                                         ` Mitchell Blank Jr
2005-07-28 20:27                                           ` Jon Smirl
2005-07-29 18:50                                             ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-06  0:42                                               ` Greg KH
2005-08-06  3:48                                                 ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-21 22:21                                             ` Jon Smirl
2005-07-28 21:10                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2005-07-28 21:12                                           ` Jon Smirl
2002-01-01  7:53                                             ` Pavel Machek
2005-08-05 13:32                                               ` Jon Smirl [this message]
2005-08-05 18:01                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2005-08-05 18:14                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-05 18:20                                                     ` Oliver Neukum
2005-08-05 18:47                                                       ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-05 20:07                                                         ` Oliver Neukum
2005-08-05 20:33                                                           ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-06  9:39                                                             ` Oliver Neukum
2005-08-07 18:50                                                             ` Pavel Machek
2005-08-07 18:47                                                 ` Pavel Machek
2005-08-07 20:17                                                   ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-07 21:06                                                     ` Pavel Machek
2005-08-05 22:31                                               ` David Weinehall
2005-07-28 21:17                                             ` Oliver Neukum
2005-07-28 12:52                                 ` Jon Smirl
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-06-30  6:04 [PATCH] driver core: add bus_find_device & driver_find_device functions Greg KH
2005-06-30  6:04 ` [PATCH] driver core: Add the ability to unbind drivers to devices from userspace Greg KH
2005-06-30  6:25   ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-06-30  6:29     ` Greg KH
2005-06-24  5:12 [RFC] bind and unbind drivers from userspace through sysfs Greg KH
2005-06-24  5:14 ` [PATCH] driver core: Add the ability to unbind drivers to devices from userspace Greg KH
2005-06-24 15:57   ` Patrick Mochel
2005-06-25  3:27     ` Greg KH
2005-06-25  4:16       ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-06-25  9:39         ` Michael Tokarev

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