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From: Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@gmail.com>
To: Eric Anholt <eta@lclark.edu>
Cc: Discuss issues related to the xorg tree 
	<xorg@lists.freedesktop.org>, lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Xserver development <xorg@freedesktop.org>
Subject: Re: State of Linux graphics
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 09:38:25 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9e473391050831063814cef924@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1125468920.84445.21.camel@leguin>

On 8/31/05, Eric Anholt <eta@lclark.edu> wrote:
> the X Render extension."  No, EXA is a different acceleration
> architecture making different basic design decisions related to memory
> management and driver API.

I did start the EXA section off with this: "EXA replaces the existing
2D XAA drivers allowing the current server model to work a while
longer."

I'll edit the article to help clarify these points but Daniel has
disabled my login at fd.o so I can't alter the article.

> 
> "If the old hardware is missing the hardware needed to accelerate render
> there is nothing EXA can do to help."  Better memory management allows
> for better performance with composite due to improved placement of
> pixmaps, which XAA doesn't do.  So EXA can help.
> 
> "So it ends up that the hardware EXA works on is the same hardware we
> already had existing OpenGL drivers for."  No.  See, for example, the nv
> or i128 driver ports, both completed in very short timeframes.
> 
> "The EXA driver programs the 3D hardware from the 2D XAA driver adding
> yet another conflicting user to the long line of programs all trying to
> use the video hardware at the same time."  No, EXA is not an addition to
> XAA, it's a replacement.  It's not "yet another conflicting user" on
> your machine (and I have yet to actually see this purported conflict in
> my usage of either acceleration architecture).
> 
> "There is also a danger that EXA will keep expanding to expose more of
> the chip's 3D capabilities."  If people put effort into this because
> they see value in it, without breaking other people's code, why is this
> a "danger?"
> 
> --
> Eric Anholt                                     eta@lclark.edu
> http://people.freebsd.org/~anholt/              anholt@FreeBSD.org
> 
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Jon Smirl
jonsmirl@gmail.com

  reply	other threads:[~2005-08-31 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-08-30 16:03 State of Linux graphics Jon Smirl
2005-08-30 17:26 ` David Reveman
2005-08-30 18:13   ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-30 22:38   ` Dave Airlie
2005-08-31  6:33   ` Allen Akin
2005-08-31  8:11     ` Anshuman Gholap
2005-08-31 17:20     ` David Reveman
2005-08-31 17:48     ` Jim Gettys
2005-08-31 18:23       ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-31 19:06       ` Allen Akin
2005-08-31 19:14         ` Jim Gettys
2005-08-31 18:29     ` Keith Packard
2005-08-31 20:06       ` Allen Akin
2005-08-31 20:20         ` Ian Romanick
2005-09-01  1:04           ` James Cloos
2005-08-31 21:06         ` Keith Packard
2005-09-01  1:58           ` Allen Akin
2005-09-01  3:11             ` Ian Romanick
2005-09-01  6:00               ` Antonio Vargas
2005-09-01 10:20                 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-01 13:57                   ` Antonio Vargas
2005-09-01  6:11               ` Allen Akin
2005-09-01  3:59             ` Keith Packard
2005-09-01 15:24               ` Brian Paul
2005-09-01 15:59                 ` Jim Gettys
2005-09-01 16:39                   ` Andreas Hauser
2005-09-01 20:18                     ` Jim Gettys
2005-09-01 20:38                       ` Jon Smirl
2005-09-01 21:29                         ` Sean
2005-09-01 16:09                 ` Alan Cox
2005-09-01 16:04                   ` Brian Paul
2005-09-01 17:21                     ` Ian Romanick
2005-09-01 17:26                       ` Keith Whitwell
2005-09-01 20:03               ` Allen Akin
2005-08-31  3:11 ` Daniel Stone
2005-08-31  4:29   ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-31  4:50   ` Jon Smirl
     [not found]     ` <1125464500.8730.68.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2005-08-31  5:17       ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-31  5:23       ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-31  5:40         ` Jon Smirl
2005-08-31  6:15 ` Eric Anholt
2005-08-31 13:38   ` Jon Smirl [this message]
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2005-09-02  2:44 rep stsb
2005-09-03  4:00 mcartoaje

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