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From: "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <mailgate@hometree.net>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:00:47 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9gponv$j92$1@forge.intermeta.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <p05100319b75593a25b1e@[10.128.7.49]> <20010619171945.I6778@thune.mrc-home.com> <20010619172814.D14119@work.bitmover.com>

Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com> writes:

> [...] died-in-the-wool Java programmer and could care less about
> performance, system design, or any elegance whatsoever.

Larry, please.

SunOS _is_ dead [1]. Ever since they switched to Solaris, you seem to
be sore about Si^hun and everything that comes out of them [3] :-)

If it wasn't for Java, 99% of the commercial world today would be
Visual Basic. So, please, stop bashing on it just because you're not
using it.

All operating systems suck. All languages suck. Everyone can write bad
code in every language. It's neither a question of a language or OS
but of developer skill and experience.

Just the fact that some people use Java (or any other language) does
not mean, that they don't care about "performance, system-design or
any elegance whatsoever" [2].

	Regards
		Henning

[1] I still have a SunOS 4.1.4_patched_to_the_hell_and_back box at a
customer site and this single box gives us more headaches performance-
, stability and security wise than any of the 10+ Solaris 2.7 or 25+
Linux boxes. It's a sucker to keep the newbie admins awake, that there
were things before bash, linuxconf and /sbin/chkconfig. Compiling an
OpenSSH on this box made at least one of the newbies quit. =;-)

[2] I was raised on SunOS 4.0.3 and I'm glad to have Solaris+Linux. I
did an OS innards course at the university around 1991/1992 and they
had a license to give the students a look into the source code of
SunOS at this time. I had nightmares for weeks after. Horrors after
horrors to sacrifice "system-design and elegance" for "performance".

[3] Please. It starts sounding like the nostalgia some east germans
develop to get their totalitarian regime back, because "everything was
better then".


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-06-20  9:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-19 14:53 accounting for threads Dan Kegel
2001-06-19 14:57 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-19 15:44 ` ognen
2001-06-19 15:58   ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Dan Kegel
2001-06-19 16:02     ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 16:12       ` Padraig Brady
2001-06-19 19:10       ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:18         ` Alan Cox
2001-06-19 19:32           ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:43           ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 15:22           ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 15:33             ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 15:59               ` Threads are processes that share more bert hubert
2001-06-20 16:15                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 18:48                 ` Martin Devera
2001-06-20 19:19                   ` Unknown PCI Net Device Greg Ingram
2001-06-20 22:53                     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-06-20 22:56                       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-20 23:00                       ` Alan Cox
2001-06-20 22:08                 ` Threads are processes that share more Stephen Satchell
2001-06-20 22:14                   ` ognen
2001-06-20 23:10                   ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 23:47                     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-25  2:23                       ` David S. Miller
2001-06-20 16:39               ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) george anzinger
2001-06-20 18:35                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21  4:11                   ` Rusty Russell
2001-06-21 23:37                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21 23:55                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-22 14:53                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-20 16:40               ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 20:09               ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 19:05           ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 14:35         ` Mike Porter
2001-06-20 11:56           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 16:02     ` Ben Pfaff
2001-06-19 16:09     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 16:26       ` Matthew Kirkwood
2001-06-19 16:52         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 18:18           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 23:31           ` Timur Tabi
2001-06-20 11:52             ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 21:20               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-20 18:12                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 23:28                   ` Dan Podeanu
2001-06-21  0:42                   ` D. Stimits
2001-06-20 20:18                     ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  1:57                       ` D. Stimits
2001-06-21 14:46                         ` Idea: Patches-from-linus mailing list? (Was Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)) Rob Landley
2001-06-21 14:02                   ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Jesse Pollard
2001-06-21 14:18                     ` Rob Landley
2001-06-22 14:46               ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-06-22 13:29                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 21:41                   ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 16:55                     ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 22:30                       ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 18:21                         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25 13:48                           ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 22:39                         ` Steven Walter
2001-06-24 23:50                         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-24 20:24                           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25  0:05                           ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-25  0:32                             ` Gerhard Mack
2001-06-25  0:59                               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-25  2:18                         ` Galen Hancock
2001-06-20 14:59             ` Matthias Urlichs
2001-06-20 19:14           ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 21:01           ` RE:Why use threads ( was: Alan Cox quote?) David Schwartz
2001-06-20 21:26             ` Why " Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 22:18               ` David Schwartz
2001-06-20 22:41                 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 22:47                   ` [OT] " Jeff Garzik
2001-06-21  0:21                   ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21  0:56                     ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21  1:32                       ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21  2:22                         ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21  2:43                           ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21 16:10                             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21 19:55                               ` Marco Colombo
2001-06-20 22:43                 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-21  1:43                   ` David Schwartz
2001-06-19 17:10       ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Matti Aarnio
2001-06-19 17:20       ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 17:37         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 17:45           ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 18:08             ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 19:38               ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 19:56                 ` Michael Meissner
2001-06-19 17:53           ` Steve Underwood
2001-06-19 19:01             ` Alan Cox
2001-06-20  2:57               ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-20  3:04                 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20  3:38                   ` John R Lenton
2001-06-20 10:21                   ` john slee
2001-06-20 18:08                     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 16:21                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20  9:14                 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-22  2:36                   ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-19 17:36       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 17:41         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 20:57         ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 21:11           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 21:15             ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 23:56               ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-20  0:19                 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20  0:28                   ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20  1:30                     ` Ben Greear
2001-06-20  2:14                       ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20  9:00                     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen [this message]
2001-06-20 11:25                       ` [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-20 11:25                         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 17:36                           ` Martin Dalecki
2001-06-20 19:27                             ` Mike Harrold
2001-06-20 17:46                               ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 19:53                               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-06-20 17:53                                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  7:45                                   ` Albert D. Cahalan
     [not found]                               ` <mailman.993067219.29993.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-06-20 20:16                                 ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-06-20 22:05                                   ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                           ` <20010621000725.A24672@werewolf.able.es>
2001-06-20 19:15                             ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  9:40                               ` Jonathan Morton
     [not found]                             ` <mailman.993083762.1429.linux-kernel2news@redhat.com>
2001-06-21  3:13                               ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-06-21 13:59                                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21 16:48                           ` Adam Sampson
2001-06-20 15:12                         ` Ben Greear
2001-06-20 15:44                           ` Russell Leighton
2001-06-20 16:32                             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 16:54                               ` Russell Leighton
2001-06-20 17:03                               ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-20 15:10                                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 20:23                                   ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-21  8:12                                     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 20:40                                   ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-20 20:48                                     ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-20 21:00                                     ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 21:06                                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-20 18:14                               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 16:53                           ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 12:36                             ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 21:14                           ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-20 18:09                         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 19:05                         ` William T Wilson
2001-06-20  0:04           ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Chris Ricker
2001-06-20  0:59             ` Robert Love
2001-06-19 18:01       ` Alan Cox quote? Kai Henningsen
2001-06-19 18:49         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 21:12           ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-19 22:50             ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-19 20:12         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-06-19 19:48 Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Joerg Pommnitz
2001-06-19 19:59 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 19:36 Rok Papež
2001-06-20 20:16 ` Cort Dougan
2001-06-22  5:19 Chester Lott
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.21.0106211931180.209-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2001-06-22  7:33 ` Andi Kleen
2001-06-30  9:16 Jan Hudec

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