From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:01:16 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:01:05 -0400 Received: from tangens.hometree.net ([212.34.181.34]:37059 "EHLO mail.hometree.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id ; Wed, 20 Jun 2001 05:00:49 -0400 To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Path: forge.intermeta.de!not-for-mail From: "Henning P. Schmiedehausen" Newsgroups: hometree.linux.kernel Subject: Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:00:47 +0000 (UTC) Organization: INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH Message-ID: <9gponv$j92$1@forge.intermeta.de> In-Reply-To: <20010619171945.I6778@thune.mrc-home.com> <20010619172814.D14119@work.bitmover.com> Reply-To: hps@intermeta.de NNTP-Posting-Host: forge.intermeta.de X-Trace: tangens.hometree.net 993027647 26739 212.34.181.4 (20 Jun 2001 09:00:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@intermeta.de NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 09:00:47 +0000 (UTC) X-Copyright: (C) 1996-2001 Henning Schmiedehausen X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.1 (NOV) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Larry McVoy writes: > [...] died-in-the-wool Java programmer and could care less about > performance, system design, or any elegance whatsoever. Larry, please. SunOS _is_ dead [1]. Ever since they switched to Solaris, you seem to be sore about Si^hun and everything that comes out of them [3] :-) If it wasn't for Java, 99% of the commercial world today would be Visual Basic. So, please, stop bashing on it just because you're not using it. All operating systems suck. All languages suck. Everyone can write bad code in every language. It's neither a question of a language or OS but of developer skill and experience. Just the fact that some people use Java (or any other language) does not mean, that they don't care about "performance, system-design or any elegance whatsoever" [2]. Regards Henning [1] I still have a SunOS 4.1.4_patched_to_the_hell_and_back box at a customer site and this single box gives us more headaches performance- , stability and security wise than any of the 10+ Solaris 2.7 or 25+ Linux boxes. It's a sucker to keep the newbie admins awake, that there were things before bash, linuxconf and /sbin/chkconfig. Compiling an OpenSSH on this box made at least one of the newbies quit. =;-) [2] I was raised on SunOS 4.0.3 and I'm glad to have Solaris+Linux. I did an OS innards course at the university around 1991/1992 and they had a license to give the students a look into the source code of SunOS at this time. I had nightmares for weeks after. Horrors after horrors to sacrifice "system-design and elegance" for "performance". [3] Please. It starts sounding like the nostalgia some east germans develop to get their totalitarian regime back, because "everything was better then". -- Dipl.-Inf. (Univ.) Henning P. Schmiedehausen -- Geschaeftsfuehrer INTERMETA - Gesellschaft fuer Mehrwertdienste mbH hps@intermeta.de Am Schwabachgrund 22 Fon.: 09131 / 50654-0 info@intermeta.de D-91054 Buckenhof Fax.: 09131 / 50654-20