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From: daw@mozart.cs.berkeley.edu (David Wagner)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: /dev/random in 2.4.6
Date: 19 Aug 2001 17:27:51 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9losun$pmg$1@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1010815111856.28263A-100000@chaos.analogic.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0108151622570.2107-100000@sorbus.navaho>

Steve Hill  wrote:
>Hmm...  Well, ATM I've kludged a fix by using /dev/urandom instead, but
>it's not ideal because it's being used to generate cryptographic keys, and
>urandom isn't cryptographically secure.

I think you may want to check again.  /dev/urandom *is* cryptographically
secure, and should be fine to use for generating crypto keys [1].

This seems to be a common point of confusion.


[1] Well, if SHA isn't secure, then /dev/urandom might not be any good.
    But if SHA isn't secure, then the rest of your crypto might not be
    any good either, so you might as well trust /dev/urandom.

    There *is* a subtle difference between the two.  When you want
    forward secrecy, /dev/urandom might be insufficient: If your machine
    is broken into, an attacker can learn the state of the pool, and
    then if you kick off the attacker without rebooting or refreshing
    the /dev/urandom pool, the attacker might be able to predict your
    crypto keys for some time after he's lost access to your machine.
    However, I would imagine that in many settings this may not be a
    major concern, and it is easily remedied by rebooting or by
    otherwise re-seeding the /dev/urandom pool.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-19 17:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-15 15:07 /dev/random in 2.4.6 Steve Hill
2001-08-15 15:21 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-15 15:27   ` Steve Hill
2001-08-15 15:42     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-15 16:29       ` Tim Walberg
2001-08-15 17:13     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-16  8:37       ` Steve Hill
2001-08-16 19:11         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-16 19:35           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-16 20:30             ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-17  0:49           ` Robert Love
2001-08-17  1:05             ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 17:29             ` David Wagner
2001-08-17 21:18       ` Theodore Tso
2001-08-17 22:05         ` David Schwartz
2001-08-19 15:13           ` Theodore Tso
2001-08-19 15:33             ` Rob Radez
2001-08-19 17:32             ` David Wagner
2001-08-19 23:32             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-20  7:40               ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-20 14:01                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-20 13:37               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 14:12                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-20 14:40                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 14:55                     ` Chris Friesen
2001-08-20 15:22                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-20 15:25                       ` Doug McNaught
2001-08-20 15:42                         ` Chris Friesen
2001-08-21 10:03                           ` Steve Hill
2001-08-21 18:14                             ` David Wagner
2001-08-20 16:01                       ` David Wagner
2001-08-20 19:30                       ` Gérard Roudier
2001-08-20 15:07                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-21  8:33                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 16:13                         ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-21 17:44                           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 18:24                             ` David Wagner
2001-08-21 18:49                               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 19:04                             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-21 19:20                               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 21:44                                 ` Robert Love
2001-08-21 18:19                         ` David Wagner
2001-08-20 16:00                     ` David Wagner
2001-08-21  1:20                       ` Theodore Tso
2001-08-21  8:39                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 10:46                         ` Marco Colombo
2001-08-21 12:40                           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 17:06                           ` cfs+linux-kernel
2001-08-21 17:48                             ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-21 18:27                           ` David Wagner
2001-08-21 18:25                         ` David Wagner
2001-08-20 22:55                     ` D. Stimits
2001-08-21  1:06                       ` David Schwartz
2001-08-19 17:31         ` David Wagner
2001-08-19 17:27     ` David Wagner [this message]
2001-08-15 19:25 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-15 20:55   ` Robert Love
2001-08-15 21:27     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-16  8:55   ` Steve Hill

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