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From: daw@mozart.cs.berkeley.edu (David Wagner)
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2)
Date: 21 Aug 2001 18:38:33 GMT	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9lu9r9$n5v$9@abraham.cs.berkeley.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3B80EADC.234B39F0@evision-ventures.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel> <20010820211107.A20957@thunk.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel> <200108210136.f7L1aa008756@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca.suse.lists.linux.kernel> <oupk7zyqhw3.fsf@pigdrop.muc.suse.de>

Andi Kleen  wrote:
>It is not that they are hard to fix; e.g. a $10 sound card
>with a noise generating circuit on input and a small daemon to feed
>/dev/audio to /dev/random can do it; [...]

This is a good idea, but do note that you have to be a little careful:
there are lots of ways that the result can look random enough to fool
/dev/random's entropy count but be non-random enough to provide much
less entropy than you'd otherwise expect (e.g., 60Hz effects, etc.).

I think it's a workable approach, and I warmly recommend using a broad
diversity of entropy sources (including, e.g., soundcards), but you just
have to be careful to avoid some of the pitfalls.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-21 18:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <2248596630.998319423@[10.132.112.53].suse.lists.linux.kernel>
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     [not found]     ` <20010820211107.A20957@thunk.org.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found]       ` <200108210136.f7L1aa008756@vindaloo.ras.ucalgary.ca.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2001-08-21  2:14         ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Andi Kleen
2001-08-21  3:02           ` Paul Jakma
2001-08-21  3:12             ` Andi Kleen
2001-08-21  3:16             ` David Schwartz
2001-08-21 13:34               ` Paul Jakma
2001-08-21 18:38           ` David Wagner [this message]
2001-08-16 17:02 [PATCH] Optionally let Net Devices feed Entropy Francois Romieu
2001-08-16 19:28 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-16 20:19   ` D. Stimits
2001-08-17  0:47     ` Robert Love
2001-08-17 22:56       ` D. Stimits
2001-08-18  5:57         ` Robert Love
2001-08-18 17:44           ` [PATCH] let Net Devices feed Entropy, updated (1/2) Robert Love
2001-08-18 23:41             ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  0:38               ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19  3:33                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  3:49                   ` Robert Love
2001-08-21  7:17                   ` Philipp Matthias Hahn
2001-08-19 18:46                 ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19  3:12               ` Robert Love
2001-08-19  3:36                 ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19  3:41                   ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-19  3:57                     ` Robert Love
2001-08-19  3:56                   ` Robert Love
2001-08-19 14:43                     ` lists
2001-08-19 21:34                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 17:08                     ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 18:02                       ` David Madore
2001-08-19 23:47                       ` Oliver Xymoron
2001-08-19 21:19                     ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:24                       ` David Ford
2001-08-20 10:02                     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 10:34                       ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 10:47                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-20 13:07                           ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-20 13:57                           ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20 14:25                             ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21  1:11                               ` Theodore Tso
2001-08-21  1:36                                 ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21  9:43                                   ` Martin Dalecki
2001-08-21  9:59                                     ` Johan Adolfsson
2001-08-21 17:19                                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-08-21 18:33                                     ` David Wagner
2001-08-21  4:33                                 ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:15                           ` Robert Love
2001-08-20 16:36                         ` Robert Love
2001-08-22  6:10                     ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-22  6:26                       ` Robert Love
2001-08-22 17:27                         ` Mike Touloumtzis
2001-08-22  8:54                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-22 13:47                       ` Chris Friesen
2001-08-19 20:58               ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-19 22:19                 ` Mike Castle
2001-08-19 22:29                   ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-08-20  2:26                     ` Mike Castle
2001-08-20 23:08                       ` Tom Rini

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